YouTube removes 70,000+ videos and 9,000 channels over content relating to Ukraine war

AlaskaGuy

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He is Putin's right hand man in Ukraine for decades advocating for federalization and splitting Ukraine apart. Putin is the Godfather of his kid. They spent holidays together. What more do you want? Ofc, people like you will say " this proves nothing". Lol
And Timoshenko, Poroshenko, and Zelensky are paid puppets of the west so what's your point.
 

scavengerspc

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Define 'traitor'. In the RUB countries (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus) a traitor is anyone who doesn't tow the current government's line.
No, what I mean is the parties that were shut down, every one of them were Russian backed. We can argue if that qualifies as traitors, but nobody would want a rival\enemy country setting up shop politically?

Not including the American right, of course.
 

AlaskaGuy

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No, what I mean is the parties that were shut down, every one of them were Russian backed. We can argue if that qualifies as traitors, but nobody would want a rival\enemy country setting up shop politically?

Not including the American right, of course.
Who do you think put the likes of Timoshenko and Poroshenko in power. The US pumped $500 million of US taxpayer dollars to fund the Maidan Revolution. I can only guess how much the Orange Revolution cost US taxpayers. The biggest problem Ukraine has had since the fall of the Soviet Union is its no lack of corrupt politicians. They're either selling themselves to Moscow or DC. Who pays the price for that? The average Ukrainian is who.
 

emmzo

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Who do you think put the likes of Timoshenko and Poroshenko in power. The US pumped $500 million of US taxpayer dollars to fund the Maidan Revolution. I can only guess how much the Orange Revolution cost US taxpayers. The biggest problem Ukraine has had since the fall of the Soviet Union is its no lack of corrupt politicians. They're either selling themselves to Moscow or DC. Who pays the price for that? The average Ukrainian is who.
Bullsh!t! Ukraine wants democratic freedom only the US can provide. You think all Eastern Europe who embraced the West after the fall of the Berlin wall were all paid to do that. You have no clue what Russian rule meant to us, you have no clue of the social realities in this part of the world.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Bullsh!t! Ukraine wants democratic freedom only the US can provide. You think all Eastern Europe who embraced the West after the fall of the Berlin wall were all paid to do that. You have no clue what Russian rule meant to us, you have no clue of the social realities in this part of the world.
The west could have helped Ukraine by building it up instead of bribing corrupt politicians and afterwards building NATO training bases inside Ukraine after they told Putin it wouldn't happen. A strong independent Ukraine is only going to come about when the corrupt oligarchs and politicians are purged. Until that happens Ukraine is going to be a playground (battleground) for Moscow and DC.
 

emmzo

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The west could have helped Ukraine by building it up instead of bribing corrupt politicians and afterwards building NATO training bases inside Ukraine after they told Putin it wouldn't happen. A strong independent Ukraine is only going to come about when the corrupt oligarchs and politicians are purged. Until that happens Ukraine is going to be a playground (battleground) for Moscow and DC.
NATO building bases in Ukraine is Russian propaganda, justification for their aggression. They also claimed at one point, before invasion, NATO troops were encircling them on all sides and nukes were about to be delivered to Ukraine. I've seen this on TASS, the official Russian news agency. I see you take your information from there, so I'm not even gonna bother.
 

AlaskaGuy

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NATO building bases in Ukraine is Russian propaganda, justification for their aggression. They also claimed at one point, before invasion, NATO troops were encircling them on all sides and nukes were about to be delivered to Ukraine. I've seen this on TASS, the official Russian news agency. I see you take your information from there, so I'm not even gonna bother.
One of my friends trained Ukrainians on a NATO base near Lviv for over a year so try again. I've worked in Russia (Sakhalin Island), stayed a year in Minsk (ended up getting married there) and spent time in Ukraine.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Haha, good one! Elaborate too! One thing though, you're Russian, that much I get.
I'm American (born in the USA) of Norwegian / Dutch (Frisian) decent. A lot of Alaskans such as myself worked in the Russian oil patch before Putin took over and purged most of the foreign oil companies.
 

emmzo

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I'm American (born in the USA) of Norwegian / Dutch (Frisian) decent. A lot of Alaskans such as myself worked in the Russian oil patch before Putin took over and purged most of the foreign oil companies.
So, you haven't lived under the Russian boot. You'll never get it. Small nations have no chance of fighting back by themselves, but they seek western democratic values, not because NATO pays them, but because they know better.
 

Momo56

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So, you haven't lived under the Russian boot. You'll never get it. Small nations have no chance of fighting back by themselves,

Small nations like Iraq ? And coming from someone from a nation that was built on genocide and slavery, this is pot & kettle level. But, yeah, democracy !!!.

Enjoy your propaganda, enjoy your power going way down.

Please don't cure your blindness.
 

scavengerspc

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Who do you think put the likes of Timoshenko and Poroshenko in power. The US pumped $500 million of US taxpayer dollars to fund the Maidan Revolution. I can only guess how much the Orange Revolution cost US taxpayers. The biggest problem Ukraine has had since the fall of the Soviet Union is its no lack of corrupt politicians. They're either selling themselves to Moscow or DC. Who pays the price for that? The average Ukrainian is who.
Ok. You always go back to the same old so-and-so is in so-and-so's pocket, even though even here we had 4 years of a President in Russian pockets.

So my views remain the same. Removing Russian propaganda is very, very different from the removal of even basic information that is the order of the day in Russia.
 

Momo56

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So my views remain the same. Removing Russian propaganda is very, very different from the removal of even basic information that is the order of the day in Russia.
My propaganda is better than your propaganda.

I mean, Saddam Hussein obviously was involved in 9/11

Right.
 

emmzo

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Small nations like Iraq ? And coming from someone from a nation that was built on genocide and slavery, this is pot & kettle level. But, yeah, democracy !!!.

Enjoy your propaganda, enjoy your power going way down.

Please don't cure your blindness.
Hmm, you must be new! Most Russian shills are more coherent in their whataboutery.
 

Momo56

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Of course you have no arguments.

Democracy is a political system, but it is not saint. It does not prevent crime against humanity like your country is guilty of, like genocide and slavery. It does not prevent war of aggression like the Iraq war.
 

Momo56

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That's a perfectly valid counter example and the fact you have no reply to it indicates that it is indeed a very good example.

The USA is in no position to give lessons to the world, especially about war.

Keep drowing in your propaganda, believing you're free and told the truth, when you're not.
 

scavengerspc

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That's a perfectly valid counter example and the fact you have no reply to it indicates that it is indeed a very good example.

The USA is in no position to give lessons to the world, especially about war.

Keep drowing in your propaganda, believing you're free and told the truth, when you're not.
Here is the difference. When you get older, you will understand.

There is a big difference between propaganda and bad intelligence.
The intel was that Hussein had a role in 911. That intel was wrong, and even Bush himself would later admit that.

Propaganda is bullshit, released to purposely deceive and divide.

Some day you will know that too!
 

Momo56

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Here is the difference. When you get older, you will understand.

There is a big difference between propaganda and bad intelligence.
The intel was that Hussein had a role in 911. That intel was wrong, and even Bush himself would later admit that.

Propaganda is bullshit, released to purposely deceive and divide.

Some day you will know that too!

I'm quite old and I understand perfectly. This was not a mistake and it was a deliberate lie to justify a war of aggression against Iraq. The goal was to create democracies in the middle-east. Look how well it worked. Hundreds of thousands of people killed and very very poor results.

You are quite credulous if you are unable/unwilling to understand that you're are being routinely propagandized. That's SOP on how to make a democracy function. As long as you're going along, all is fine. The moment you start to rock the boat, you're attacked, marginalized, in a world handled until you're not a problem anymore.

That's how a 'democracy' work.
 

scavengerspc

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This was not a mistake and it was a deliberate lie to justify a war of aggression against Iraq.
Unless you can prove that, then you are a worthless source of useless information.
You are quite credulous if you are unable/unwilling to understand that you're are being routinely propagandized
There are more ways to make that determination day to day than you probably realize. When you start with your claims that everything is a lie then you cancel yourself. Your intentions become clear.

BTW. What country are you from?
 
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RedBear

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It's funny that they talk about "uncensored information about the war" when they censor and remove videos on a daily basis, as usual our own propaganda is no propaganda...
 

Momo56

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Funny how the following reponses to these messages were removed.

Like when I talked about the courage of US forces bombing lightly armed brown people for 30 years from drones piloted from thousands of miles away from harm.

Can't have truth. Can't have reality.

But of course, this is not propaganda.
 

Momo56

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And what do you have when the people (that should be the sovereign in any democracy) is being lied to and manipulated by those in charge ?

Certainly not democracy.