Thermaltake Level 10 GT Review

By on April 5, 2011, 5:48 AM
Thermaltake is one of the biggest names in computer cases and cooling and for good reason. For years they have continued to create impressive looking, affordable products and today that range is massive.

Taking into account the countless case designs, there is one recent model that stands head and shoulders above the rest. First shown as a prototype at CeBIT 2009, the Thermaltake Level 10 chassis immediately captured everybody's attention, if not for BMW Designworks' involvement, then for its radical looks and proposed design of individual compartments for the different components.

Taking some cues from the original Level 10, Thermaltake hopes to be able to capitalize on it by offering a more down to earth 'GT' version. Not only is the Level 10 GT more affordable, it's also smaller and lighter, but has it lost all that made the original such a work of art?

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MilwaukeeMike said:

Really? I like it. If it were $100 cheaper I'd consider it. I think the design is a nice balance between the normal large box and trying to look like a transformer. It looks easy enough to wipe dust from it as well, unlike the HAF X, which must be impossible to clean. I can appreciate a flat top so that if set a CD on it for a min it won't slide off. The drive bays do need a little rework though, there's too much attention to the curves of an otherwise rigid design. And i can see there are 5, we dont' need numbers. It reminds me of the 'Not a Step' stickers I'd put on my model fighter plans as a kid. Very cool case and great review.

lawfer, TechSpot Paladin, said:

Is it wrong if I say I find the design rather cool? However, the price is too steep, and to be honest there are better offerings out there.

BlindObject said:

That thing is too hideous for me to even try to balance the Pros and cons.

Guest said:

Someone removed my comment because you reviewed a pile of junk from 2 years ago! Good job......

@MilwaukeeMike, You obviously have never seen this case in person.

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Steve Steve said:

Some one removed my comment because you reviewed a pile of junk from 2 years ago! Good job......

@MilwaukeeMike You obviously have never seen this case in person.

I imagine it was deleted because your 2cents worth is not even worth that much.

Also you do know how years and months work right?

A case announced on February 9, 2011 is not 2 years, its 2 months.

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Steve Steve said:

Why are you so angry? First of all the original post which was made by you did not make sense, its not a 2 year old product, its brand new and other than the Level 10 part of the name it is nothing like the original, nor is it meant to be a polished version, it is meant to be a cheaper version.

I cannot and do not understand why you are attacking a review that pretty much tells our readers to avoid this product. Again the case was announced just 2 months ago and the basis for a review is very valid.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Your review was not worth the time or the bandwidth yet you still wrote it.

1) It can be empirically demonstrated this ...'opinion' is in the minority.

The GT case is based on original Thermaltake Level 10 case that was announced 2 years ago.

2) He didn't review the 'two year old" Level 10, He reviewed the Level 10 GT

Thus has very similar design out of same poor materials

3) They are very different cases...and that was one of the major reason for the review.

you simply reviewed a 2 year old polished turd.

Oh hey ...great idea! only review the really good items...oh wait...you don't know what the good ones are until you test and review them. Gee, I thought you were on to something there for a minute.

There for, you simply reviewed a 2 year old polished turd.

4) That comment was so preposterous It deserves another observation. Computer cases are the epitome of taste and subjectivity. I guess Steve and Julio had better consult you on what should be reviewed from here on out.

5) Let me just compliment you in advance on whatever brilliant and witty retort you will post. I am sure it will be as brilliant as your first comments.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Point being is, even though you are some what against this case, you have still taken the time to review a poor product instead of using same time and energy to review a product that people would want and should buy.

One more time:

Oh hey ...great idea! only review the really good items...oh wait...you don't know what the good ones are until you test and review them. Gee, I thought you were on to something there for a minute.

I have news for you Ugly, A lot of people like this case. I am not among them, however I build gaming systems for a living and I am getting requests and interest in it.

But what I really find even more amazing than Steve's ability to smell anger, is your ability to know what is , or is not a worthy product until it's looked at , tested, and or reviewed. A conclusion on a product to avoid is every bit as valuable as a recommendation to purchase. Steve's reviews has saved me countless dollars and headaches from the "do not buy reviews", as well as the five star products. So tell me Carnac, should Steve review the upcoming Nvidia Kepler and Maxwell? or should he not because it might not be any good?

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

All That Case Needs is a Half Moon on the Door.....

I thought we made great sport of both Level 10 cases, without assistance, interference, or extra added abuse from itinerant cameo columnists.

(Better known to those who've experienced their "wit and "wisdom", as "trolls", which seems to be a Euphemism for "guest" .

Your review was not worth the time or the bandwidth yet you still wrote it. If you dont like peoples 2cents or their open criticism, then dont write articles.. and or dont delete their comments.

The GT case is based on original Thermaltake Level 10 case that was announced 2 years ago. Thus has very similar design out of same poor materials. There for, you simply reviewed a 2 year old polished turd.

With the formidable power of 36 posts to bolster your ego, why don't you show us how to do a decent review by starting your own tech website.

I look forward to ignoring it in any Google search.

Guest said:

Hi, To get back to the topic. I like the case design and the review. This could be a replacement for my build of a woo and plexi case.

I'm wondering if the cables in the case handle SATA 6gb?

Hugh

MilwaukeeMike said:

I like this case because it's different. I'm not interested in another large black box with grates, fans and blue lights. They clearly took a chance with this design and most people don't like it. It's still a little eccentric for me, but I'd buy this case (if it were cheaper) before i'd buy some plain box that's just stuffed with LEDs.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

I like this case because it's different. I'm not interested in another large black box with grates, fans and blue lights. They clearly took a chance with this design and most people don't like it. It's still a little eccentric for me, but I'd buy this case (if it were cheaper) before i'd buy some plain box that's just stuffed with LEDs.

I am getting quite a lot of interest in it from my customers for the reasons you cited Mike.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

but has it lost all that made the original such a work of art?
The short answer is an emphatic, "yes"!

The thing that disturbs me about this case, is its dramatic descent from the original "Level 10's" concept of "object d'art", to a rather garish pandering to a teenage gamer's power fantasy.

The original "Level 10", (IMHO), seems to be targeted to the yuppie gamer desirous of making an impression. Beyond which, it does actually succeed as art, something to be displayed in the living room of an upscale post modern apartment.

The limitations in its ventilation also speak to an acute understanding of the target demographic. This would be an enthusiastic gamer, but not a rabid gamer. I also suspect that even if a truly hard core core gamer were to buy a "Level 10", it would probably be a show piece, with another full bore box in a Lian Li being dragged to the conventions.

The lower priced "Level 10 GT" fails to carry forward any of the mystique, and even less of the artistic virtue of its progenitor. At the end of the day, it's best compared to Antec's latest offering of hormonally imbued, design challenged crassness, the "Antec LanBoy Air ATX .

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

I wandered on down to my local MicroCenter as I am often want to do and gave this thing the once over a couple times. I think the GT's only problem is that the original Level 10 existed first. I spent the better part of a quarter century designing and marketing architectural millwork for commercial and high end residential structures. While this version has indeed lost a portion of its predecessors 'architectural depth' , it still has much more than the frequently favored HAF 932, and the Corsair Obsidian. They are a couple of flat six sided boxes by comparison. The GT reminds me a bit of Triumph cycles of the sixties where the engine casing was molded to wrap around the functionality of the internal workings of the bike, not nearly as much as the original level 10, but more than most. But then this to me is one of the most beautiful works of art in history. This comes from someone however that really digs my HAF 932, possibly the most design confused computer case ever. It's part military industrial complex, part abandoned Gotham city warehouse windtunnel.

I am also reading many reviews that have the cooling capability of this thing as slightly superior to the likes of the Obsidian, 932, and high end Lian Li cases

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I will wager it sells quite well when it hits the $199.99 mark.

Omnislip said:

You shouldn't call the original level 10 'art' just because it was different. That's not how it works, in my mind at least.

Not that art is easy to define...

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

You shouldn't call the original level 10 'art' just because it was different. That's not how it works, in my mind at least.

Well, its intention was to blend aesthetics and function. It succeeds in this respect.

Not that art is easy to define...
Maybe not, but suppose I take a shot at it anyway.

"Art is a transitive effort on the part of its creator, to imbue the chosen medium with an emotional context which enhances the human sensory experience as a whole".

All of this altruism does indeed get rather fouled up by manifold influences. Most notably, the ego of the creator.

I tell you, you could write a book! But wait, many have. That's why this rather hackneyed cliche still acts as the final arbiter of what is, and what isn't "art"; "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

<< Post 15 omitted.>>

Well Red, this is indeed a thoughtful and provocative effort. However, it is both with fondness and regret I feel obligated to tell you, that your prosaic dabbling has longer literary legs than the old saw, "if a tree falls in the forest". (Yes, pun intended).

As to the early "Trumpets", (IMHO), they may have succeeded as art, but they didn't succeed as motorcycles.

Although, the gas tank thigh pads were great if you had to ride in cold weather. Every bike should have them.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

My mother (who is an artist) and i kicked around the definition of 'art' in several conversations over the years and came up with ,at least as part of the definition, that it is the creation of something that has not been seen of , or conceived of before. anyway, this is some of her creation.

http://www.olympicartgallery.com/Scratchboard.htm

Well Red, this is indeed a thoughtful and provocative effort. However, it is both with fondness and regret I feel obligated to tell you, that your prosaic dabbling has longer literary legs than the old saw, "if a tree falls in the forest". (Yes, pun intended).

You forgot to mention... or more likely intentionally omitted 'insightful and spot on'.

that your prosaic dabbling

Huh...That was a rather nasty shot. It was not meant to be a mellifluous vent, but rather an application of my years of experience of creating 'curb appeal' for various structures sprinkled throughout the Minneapolis skyline.

Perhaps this will revive the thread.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

My mother (who is an artist) and i kicked around the definition of 'art' in several conversations over the years and came up with ,at least as part of the definition, that it is the creation of something that has not been seen of , or conceived of before.
Perhaps, but only a small portion of the definition. Every moment is "something not seen before", yet every moment is certainly not art. A portrait is an established art form, yet save for the transient subject, it is something that has been seen many times. I don't particularly care what "Mona Lisa" was thinking, yet that seems to be the enigma that makes this a work of "art". My point is evidenced particularly well with figure photography. The particular subject tends to be the art, and the "artist" merely the reporter of it. (Oh and that's a rather sweeping statement that provokes lengthy discussion! It would be best fielded in a photography class. One can imagine the looks one might receive).

You forgot to mention... or more likely intentionally omitted 'insightful and spot on'.
True, but I knew you'd see my omission and correct it. If I were indeed intent on malice, I would have said,, "as I mentioned earlier, art stumbles when excessively acted upon by the egos of its creators"!

However, it is both with fondness and regret I feel obligated to tell you, that your prosaic dabbling has longer literary legs than the old saw, "if a tree falls in the forest". (Yes, pun intended).

Huh...That was a rather nasty shot. It was not meant to be a mellifluous vent, but rather an application of my years of experience of creating 'curb appeal' for various structures sprinkled throughout the Minneapolis skyline.
I think you're having a bit of a pout on this point. You might reconsider my quote as a whole. The intent was to obviate the fact that there were a plethora of points in your post that might lead to extended forensic discussion, as in the existentialist analog I cited . This, (IMO), made curtailing the length of the reply a bit difficult.

Besides, I meant, "prosaic rambling".

As to architecture as art, I find it to be one of the highest forms. To me,at least, its inherent dependency on science elevates it as an art, rather than detracts from it

Perhaps this will revive the thread.
At least until these posts get pulled down for being off topic.

Julio did open to door to the discussion of art, however I doubt if that meant when it was divorced from the topic of the case.

As to the "artistic" value of computer cases in general, and Lian Li in particular, I've said many times, they should be marketed as industrial fixtures, avoiding any reference to appearance whatsoever.

The song title, "Pomp and Circumstance" goes a long way toward explaining human behavior. If one guy builds a palace, then the next guy has to build "Versailles". And so it is thusly applied to marketing. We decide when elegance becomes pretense, and how much is too much. IMHO, the "Thermaltake Level 10 GT" hits "too much" squarely on the head. I do like military aesthetic emulation however, and illustrate that with my "Cooler Master Storm Scout". It sits exactly on my personal border between just enough, and "too much". As is always true in theses types of dialogs, comes the disclaimer, "your sensibilities may vary".

(FF is arguing with me about the adverbial form of "thus". I say you can use it as an adverb, FF says no, underscoring its objection in red).

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Matthew Matthew, TechSpot Staff, said:

At least until these posts get pulled down for being off topic.

There's a difference between senseless bickering with guests and a genuine discussion. We generally let the conversation stray where it may, but watching people sling mud over the Internet gets old. Carry on with your search for the meaning of art .

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

OK then......,

The original "Level 10" case, succeeds as the prognostication of art, (not to be confused with the, "art of prognostication" . It has a science fiction-esque appeal to it, as well as making an architectural statement. One could imagine modular apartments in future cities based on this basic design premise. But sorry to report, I don't get that forward looking exhilaration from its descendant GT model. More of a modular dust bin.

I would add to our emerging definition of "art", that something becomes complete as art, when it is no longer possible to improve on its aesthetics. As an example, I would cite the 1963 Corvette, "split window coupe", as well as the 1963 Chevrolet "Impala", in opposition to their 1964 counterparts. Obviously, others may differ as to the model year boundaries, and that's what makes the appreciation of art, and intensely individual experience. There is a subjective point when "innovation" deteriorates to "contrivance", and this it what I believe has happened with the GT case.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

I think you're having a bit of a pout on this point

not likely, now I thought we had the signals down for " staying on topic"... while getting way off topic.

Perhaps, but only a small portion of the definition. Every moment is "something not seen before", yet every moment is certainly not art. A portrait is an established art form, yet save for the transient subject, it is something that has been seen many times. I don't particularly care what "Mona Lisa" was thinking, yet that seems to be the enigma that makes this a work of "art". My point is evidenced particularly well with figure photography. The particular subject tends to be the art, and the "artist" merely the reporter of it. (Oh and that's a rather sweeping statement that provokes lengthy discussion! It would be best fielded in a photography class. One can imagine the looks one might receive).

Oh yes, we never did resolve it as a whole. We found it nearly impossible to come to any type of universal definition for 'art'...back to eye of the beholder!

How about this: Something that serves no other purpose than its own existence to be aesthetically pleasing, or to evoke emotion....hah...hah...?

******

I would cite the 1963 Corvette, "split window coupe", as well as the 1963 Chevrolet "Impala",

well that just screwed my theory.

I don't get that forward looking exhilaration from its descendant GT model. More of a modular dust bin.

Making note that this is anecdotal, I am hearing a lot of interest in the GT from new and past customers. I have also noted that it's thus far all from the age of 21 and under, but I am a relic to them so what do I know.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Oh yes, we never did resolve it as a whole. We found it nearly impossible to come to any type of universal definition for 'art'...back to eye of the beholder!

How about this: Something that serves no other purpose than its own existence to be aesthetically pleasing, or to evoke emotion....hah...hah...?

Or how about something that provokes and conveniences the use of the word, "mellifluous"?

Making note that this is anecdotal, I am hearing a lot of interest in the GT from new and past customers. I have also noted that it's thus far all from the age of 21 and under, but I am a relic to them so what do I know.

Been there, insulted that......

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The thing that disturbs me about this case, is its dramatic descent from the original "Level 10's" concept of "object d'art", to a rather garish pandering to a teenage gamer's power fantasy.

The lower priced "Level 10 GT" fails to carry forward any of the mystique, and even less of the artistic virtue of its progenitor. At the end of the day, it's best compared to Antec's latest offering of hormonally imbued, design challenged crassness, the "Antec LanBoy Air ATX .

Having also made the self assessment of "relic", might I suggest we both move to Japan for a little respect of our "maturity"?

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Or how about something that provokes and conveniences the use of the word, "mellifluous"?

Well...as you know already, I am always in favor of anything that facilitates the use of my favorite words.

as you know already
Remember, I handed you this one.

Having made the self assessment of "relic", might I suggest we both move to Japan for a little respect of our "maturity"?

Oh I really am on the verge of saying something politically incorrect.

I just returned from an area of Minneapolis aptly named 'Uptown'. This will make anyone over the age of 25 feel 'unhep' poste haste

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Oh I really am on the verge of saying something politically incorrect.

I just returned from an area of Minneapolis aptly named 'Uptown'. This will make anyone over the age of 25 feel 'unhep' poste haste

Well, y'all git yo Level 10 GT, den hangs yo self a subwoofer in it, an y'all will fits rat in........

There I said it for you.

Moving on, in an attempt to re-embrace my, "glory days", I've purchased a couple of "Lava Lamps", and a copy of, "Workingman's Dead". I really do think that a "Level 10 GT" would be much too jarring if taken in combination with this ambience.

(Definition of "ambience"; something I can spell that Firefox can't).

Well...as you know already, I am always in favor of anything that facilitates the use of my favorite words.

Remember, I handed you this one.

Of course I know this, "I am the great and powerful Oz"!

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Well, y'all git yo Level 10 GT, den hangs yo self a subwoofer in it, an y'all will fits rat in........

There I said it for you.

Moving on, in an attempt to re-embrace my, "glory days", I've purchased a couple of "Lava Lamps", and a copy of, "Workingman's Dead". I really do think that a "Level 10 GT" would be much too jarring if taken in combination with this ambience.

(Definition of "ambience"; something I can spell that Firefox can't).

It was more along the lines of black haired beauties.

Moving on, in an attempt to re-embrace my, "glory days", I've purchased a couple of "Lava Lamps",

ROFL, I never took mine down. Spencer Gifts 1978!

dividebyzero dividebyzero, trainee n00b, said:

The original "Level 10" case, succeeds as the prognostication of art...

Agreed. Anything that attains "iconic design" status is by some definition "art"

Love, loathe or be nonplussed, the Level 10 has become an instant icon. The fact that any discussion on it's relative aesthetics and functionality still engenders such heated debate and a polarity of opinion pretty much ensures its status.

I would add to our emerging definition of "art", that something becomes complete as art, when it is no longer possible to improve on its aesthetics. As an example, I would cite the 1963 Corvette, "split window coupe", as well as the 1963 Chevrolet "Impala", in opposition to their 1964 counterparts. Obviously, others may differ as to the model year boundaries

I think the aesthetics of an original concept are bound to the originality. Everything that comes after is evolutionary and not revolutionary. The original 1948 Porsche 356 is a design icon -the modern evolution 99x series not so much.

- I would also argue that the 1962 "Bubble top" Bel Air 409 is the original that the '63 Impala attempted to emulate- altering the design for the mass market I think watered down the aesthetic considerably in my opinion- in much the same way as functionality robbed succeeding generations of buildings of the aesthetic that the Chrysler/Flatiron/Empire State buildings introduced. It's also likely that the PET 1 litre/quart plastic bottles that Coke ships in these days will also never attain the status that the seven ounce glass variety enjoys

...and that's what makes the appreciation of art, and intensely individual experience. There is a subjective point when "innovation" deteriorates to "contrivance", and this it what I believe has happened with the GT case.

Contrivance indeed, at the very least. A more cynical man than myself would possibly say that it represents a marketing ploy to piggyback some quick success from a well known brand. The chassis itself looks more functional and has expanded user options over the Level 10, but where the problem lies is maybe not in it's design but the fact that it uses the originals name within it's own designation, and since Thermaltake is not adverse to scouring the entire alphabet and number range for it's different models- why dilute a classic design if not for marketing? Was it either use Level 10GT or have to resort to Sumerian cunieform since all the letter/number/name combinations are already in use?

And of the Triumph motorcycle....I've been an owner of both the Bonneville and Trident, and while they can be aesthetically pleasing (the "breadbox" padded tank on most models usually gets substituted for the teardrop tank from my experience), as are BSA's -and to a lesser degree Norton, they still owe their "style", and engineering aesthetic to some greater marques

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

- I would also argue that the 1962 "Bubble top" Bel Air 409 is the original that the '63 Impala attempted to emulate- altering the design for the mass market I think watered down the aesthetic considerably in my opinion-
As I'm sure you have anticipated, I have some contrary thoughts on this. (IMHO): The Chevrolet "bubble top" offering melded best with the 1961 body style which is my much favored year of these two. My reasoning is that curves are best met with curves. Putting the bubble top on the angular 62 body seems indecisive at best, badly forced at worst. I don't dispute that the 62 bubble top is unique and very attractive, I just favor the 61 by a few points. One surmises that this was the reason for the birthing of the angular "imitation convertible top" styling that carried as far forward as 1964. As far as the 64 Impala body, that just looks like some random stoned noodling into a clay '63. For me, there was "no redeeming social value" for it to prevent me from labeling it "pornographic".

in much the same way as functionality robbed succeeding generations of buildings of the aesthetic that the Chrysler/Flatiron/Empire State buildings introduced. It's also likely that the PET 1 litre/quart plastic bottles that Coke ships in these days will also never attain the status that the seven ounce glass variety enjoys .
I think the only post modern exception to this was the World Trade Center Towers. Their minimalist styling had a maximum impact on the NYC arts & crafts landscape, and in a very pleasant, but obviously very "in your face" way.

As the zen master Googler, I suggest you visit (or perhaps revisit), our Philly "Liberty One" tower. This is post modern ripoff of the Chrysler Building's "finest" (?) hour.

Moving on, they're selling the 7 oz glass Coke Bottles, (full), as collector's items at our supermarkets these days. Don't know if they come in a wood case. I'll check next time I go.

Contrivance indeed, at the very least. A more cynical man than myself would possibly say that it represents a marketing ploy to piggyback some quick success from a well known brand. The chassis itself looks more functional and has expanded user options over the Level 10, but where the problem lies is maybe not in it's design but the fact that it uses the originals name within it's own designation, and since Thermaltake is not adverse to scouring the entire alphabet and number range for it's different models- why dilute a classic design if not for marketing? Was it either use Level 10GT or have to resort to Sumerian cunieform since all the letter/number/name combinations are already in use?

I'm going to streamline that vent into the form of a commandment, "thou shall not taketh the original Level 10's name in vain"!

As to the passing of motifs such as exist in the Chrysler Building, perhaps we are moving away from religion and superstition. We simply don't need automobile radiators and hubcaps as icons of our faith. Besides, I think we've moved on to the "year of our Ford" annotation of the passing years. At least so said Huxley.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Upon entering the Walker Art Center here in Minneapolis you are immediately confronted with three Giant canvases roughly 70'"h x 70"w with a small gap in-between them. This gigantic work of 'art' is titled "Red-Yellow-Blue" and consists solely of each of the panels painted a solid color. The 'artist' Ellsworth Kelley was commissioned hundreds of thousands of dollars it is rumored for this tripe, and makes 'Piss Christ' seem brilliant in comparison. While we bandy about our personal definition of what art is. I think it's a solid bet that the social connotation of art is convincing others that they are not hip enough,deep enough, or intelligent enough to buy into whatever preposterousness they choose to regurgitate onto a canvas and then hide behind titles such as "minimalist" and "interpretive"

Here is the ingenious work if you care to see it.

http://collections.walkerart.org/item/object/8375

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

Upon entering the Walker Art Center here in Minneapolis you are immediately confronted with three Giant canvases roughly 70'"h x 70"w with a small gap in-between them. This gigantic work of 'art' is titled "Red-Yellow-Blue" and consists solely of each of the panels painted a solid color. The 'artist' Ellsworth Kelley was commissioned hundreds of thousands of dollars it is rumored for this tripe, and makes 'Piss Christ' seem brilliant in comparison. While we bandy about our personal definition of what art is. I think it's a solid bet that the social connotation of art is convincing others that they are not hip enough,deep enough, or intelligent enough to buy into whatever preposterousness they choose to regurgitate onto a canvas and then hide behind titles such as "minimalist" and "interpretive"
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, art exists as a political pursuit.

"Art" is a sublime musing of man, which is then prostituted by man. There isn't a concept so sublime that man can't reduce to vulgarity. Witness the teachings of Jesus begetting the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church, and the Spanish Inquisition. Which incidentally didn't end until the mid-eighteen hundreds.

That said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", has some ugly twists and turns when the "eye of the beholder" is manipulated by propaganda. In most cases, the propaganda is being generated by some a**hole, suffering an acute case of "post adolescent intellectual pretense". If only that were a disease that was fatal.

In one of my photo courses, we were shown polaroid print manipulations, presented of course. as "art". The series deteriorated to various scratchings and smearings of "self portraits" of the artist photographing his own a**. When I asked how this could possibly be described as "art", my instructor explained the he had witnessed members of the NYC "art community" paying 500 bucks a pop for this crap. Oh super I muttered to myself, "a bunch of coke head effetes with more money than brains have validated this garbage, who am I to argue".

It was more along the lines of black haired beauties.
Did you note the resounding success of the food stamp program while you were there?

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, art exists as a political pursuit.

"Art" is a sublime musing of man, which is then prostituted by man. There isn't a concept so sublime that man can't reduce to vulgarity. Witness the teachings of Jesus begetting the "Holy" Roman Catholic Church, and the Spanish Inquisition. Which incidentally didn't end until the mid-eighteen hundreds.

That said, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", has some ugly twists and turns when the "eye of the beholder" is manipulated by propaganda. In most cases, the propaganda is being generated by some a**hole, suffering an acute case of "post adolescent intellectual pretense". If only that were a disease that was fatal.

In one of my photo courses, we were shown polaroid print manipulations, presented of course. as "art". The series deteriorated to various scratchings and smearings of "self portraits" of the artist photographing his own a**. When I asked how this could possibly be described as "art", my instructor explained the he had witnessed members of the NYC "art community" paying 500 bucks a pop for this crap. Oh super I muttered to myself, "a bunch of coke head effetes with more money than brains have validated this garbage, who am I to argue".

Very eloquently stated as usual.

who am I to argue

I would prefer, who are you to not?

dividebyzero dividebyzero, trainee n00b, said:

I think it's a solid bet that the social connotation of art is convincing others that they are not hip enough,deep enough, or intelligent enough to buy into whatever preposterousness they choose to regurgitate onto a canvas and then hide behind titles such as "minimalist" and "interpretive"

From what I've seen, Mr Kelly's later work seems rather derivative of his earlier pieces- but what do I know -I only dabble in portraiture and graphics while the rest of my family tend to gravitate towards a larger statement

As for the hypocrisy and elitism of "art" and social sciences I think that it is prevalent wherever ego meets a receptive public expectation. In my own field, once you get to the more rarified atmosphere of public acclaim/notoriety, there comes a point where, for all intents and purposes, the food experience gains only infinitesimally for the increased hype - at this point, people who need to make their statement, and the people who rely on these supposed "innovations" for their employment move from the mainstream to a wholly esoteric level in an attempt to justify their position. What chefs at the sharp end/high-profile tend to relate as "1% invention, 99% bullsh*t" - and just like most sculptors, authors, architects and painters I've met tend to believe also. The jargon and elitism is for public consumption only - a public for the most part that is quite happy (if not eager) to be spoonfed a false reality.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

So basically what you're saying is that, "beauty is forced into the untrained eye of the beholder"..... Or perhaps, "poked into the eye of the beholder"?

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

More like being instructed to appreciate it...and many times fund it. Here in Minneapolis we have government sponsored, taxpayer funded graffiti.

...and I have been instructed that it is beautiful and cultural. I must think that...I paid for it

dividebyzero dividebyzero, trainee n00b, said:

@captain

I make a reasonable salary.

The people who write about my food make more money than I do.

The magazines they write for are full of ad's and (part*) recipes of dishes 99+% of the readers will never attempt to make.

The magazines sell well. They also cost more than fresh vegetables, meat and other grocery items.

The people who buy these magazines predominantly go "out" to eat -either to restaurants or to places that serve food in styrofoam and cardboard.

I wouldn't say anything was being "forced" upon them, in much the same way as nobody forces them to watch someones contrived TV suffering on Oprah. It seems more like some thrill of glimpsing, or being part of, something removed from their own lives without investing any particular effort or resources.

* Chefs usually leave out (or substitute) an ingedient ,or abridge a process when putting their recipes out for public display (Thomas Keller and Charlie Trotter are probably exceptions)

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

The magazines they write for are full of ad's and (part*) recipes of dishes 99+% of the readers will never attempt to make.

Gee thats too bad. I recently came across a couple of really great lobster recipes that turned out very well...despite me being the one preparing them.

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

@ DBZ: My definition of "forced" does take into account actions including not being supplied with an alternative, and propaganda from the rest of the herd.

More like being instructed to appreciate it...and many times fund it. Here in Minneapolis we have government sponsored, taxpayer funded graffiti.

...and I have been instructed that it is beautiful and cultural. I must think that...I paid for it

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just think how the French felt when they funded Versailles.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just think how the French felt when they funded Versailles.

at least that is pretty.

I bet you have a bigger graffiti program in your neck of the woods than do we.

dividebyzero dividebyzero, trainee n00b, said:

Gee thats too bad. I recently came across a couple of really great lobster recipes that turned out very well...despite me being the one preparing them.

Welcome to the 1%

What percentage of the American populace would you estimate to be cooking two lobster meals by their own hand for their loved ones in any given week ?

....I bet you have a bigger graffiti program in your neck of the woods than do we.

Spray paint propellant afficionados gravitate to Philadelphia ?

captaincranky captaincranky, TechSpot Addict, said:

at least that is pretty.

I bet you have a bigger graffiti program in your neck of the woods than do we.

Indeed. I remember Philadelphians in general being called "cheap" because nobody stepped forward with 16 million dollars to retain one of Alexander Caulder's oversized train wrecks in front of the Art Museum.

Now, if that would have been a giant sculpture of the original Level 10, I'd a hit the bricks in search of donations.....

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

Welcome to the 1%

What percentage of the American populace would you estimate to be cooking two lobster meals by their own hand for their loved ones in any given week ?

I will take guess that it starts with a decimal. In my case it was 0

Spray paint propellant afficionados gravitate to Philadelphia ?

call it a hunch.

Now, if that would have been a giant sculpture of the original Level 10, I'd a hit the bricks in search of donations....

Now you're on to something.

I will set up the paypal donation site.

Glycerin said:

Currently its $199 on Newegg, free shipping, till the end of November. I think I'm going to purchase one.

spydercanopus spydercanopus said:

Level 10 chassis review has a discrepancy

The second image down on this page has a different picture than the rest. Is that a prototype or a different model?

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LNCPapa LNCPapa said:

That's a picture of the original Level 10 designed by BMW.

red1776 red1776, Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe, said:

The other one is the GT version...the 'affordable' one that goes for around $280

you may also be interested in the 'snow' edition...maybe the most dreadful looking case in history.

Kind od a metro-sexual meets Christmas affair I think.

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