Acer: Surface tablet will hurt the industry, we may look for new partners

By Leeky
Aug 7, 2012
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  1. Acer has spoken out publicly about Microsoft and its upcoming Windows 8 Surface tablet, saying they were given little warning of their intentions, and that launching the Surface would have a negative impact on the worldwide computer ecosystem.

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  2. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,887   +353

    Steve ballmer really pisses me off for some reason.
    This really is all about the money, I realize now.
  3. SCJake

    SCJake Newcomer, in training Posts: 80

    I understand the frustration with Acer seeing as M$ doesnt have to pay for a license to win8, but its common knowledge that OEM's (while at least being below crApple) have been making tons of money off of price fixing. HDD's, DRAM, the list goes on. Now I will say that Acer has been relatively good at being affordable, but its still, with the exception of their new ultrabook, not really worth competing as the hardware is usually significantly less quality. Eventually we may end up with apple, microsoft, and goodle being the only pc makers left..
  4. Why is it Microsoft's fault that it can produce a better product than all these sucky hardware makers. Acer, just make a better product.
  5. Chazz

    Chazz TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 630   +59

    I would love to see Acer produce a Chromebook or Linux Laptop. I wonder if they'll be happy with the sales results. Acer would be looking for a new CEO.
  6. Acer, YOU hurt the industry!
  7. mario

    mario Ex-TS Developer Posts: 399   +17

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  8. Acer and everyone else needs to realise that change always happens, and this is an inevitable direction change for Microsoft that you cannot stop. Apple has shown that it is not only possible to do both hardware and software, but also that by doing so they create a better package/environment/bundle and a rapidly expanding business. Why would Microsoft not do the same? Microsoft's software is so ingrained in so many places that people will stick with them, in the same way others stick to Apple. And yes, that does mean OEMs should start looking for other partners, because if they don't, and Microsoft take a model more similar to Apple nobody will buy from an OEM. They will go direct to Microsoft. It makes better sense for OEMs to pour resources into Open Source alternatives, so that they can compete in the future. If you make Open Source alternatives better so they are on the same level as the current standards OEMs have an option to whether the storm and potentially surpass the two giants. If not OEMs will only be able to create a product that is second tier.
  9. VitalyT

    VitalyT TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,673   +510

    Screw Acer! Ms may not have the great os this time around, but they surely grew balls for the game. It is time.
  10. Timonius

    Timonius TechSpot Booster Posts: 578   +32

    I still can't see Microsoft committing to their product. I'm sure Surface will be great but somehow I don't think they will make as much money on it as they hope and then it will die just like the Zune.
  11. treeski

    treeski TechSpot Guru Posts: 870   +129

    I agree with Acer that the emergence of Microsoft PC hardware will disrupt and even confuse the PC market. However, it's no surprise that MS has taken this route. PC makers have failed over and over throughout the past several years to create truly compelling hardware.

    As much as the PC manufacturers have been dependent on MS to create solid OSes, MS has been dependent on the manufacturers to create solid machines that market well and sell well. MS has been holding up its end of the bargain, but not as much the other way around.
     
  12. treeski

    treeski TechSpot Guru Posts: 870   +129

    I think MS will be committed, but truly, they don't have to be committed to the Surface. MS just has to remain committed to Win8. It's really not a problem for MS if they only sell one generation of Surface tablets.
  13. Not that I would be buying Acer in the first place but Microsoft is upsetting a lot of businesses. Microsoft seems to want to cut out various partners (hardware, software, etc.) so that Microsoft can take in even more money. It seems they want to kill the ecosystem so they can take all the money, like Apple. Of course it is there right to do so, however it’s also the right of these partners to move in other directions.
  14. Gareis

    Gareis TechSpot Member Posts: 73   +14

    Microsoft is taking some bold steps.
  15. Pathetic crying from Acer over the fact Microsoft are making a premium piece of hardware that makes their offerings look bad.

    On a sidenote, ikesmasher, your comment is bizarre, unrelated to his article and most likely misinformed. Microsoft's interests have always been about making money, it's a PLC, it's they're legal and moral obligation to shareholders. Apple - or any other company - is no different.
  16. @ikesmasher, I know you've been busy occupying Wall Street so you may have been out of the loop for a little while. Well, I've got a bit a bad news for you...none of these tech companies are producing products for altruistic reasons. It's all about the money for Dell, Apple, Microsoft, Acer, etc. But why does that piss you off? I for one think that having a bunch of companies competing for my dollars means that we will all end up with better products to choose from.
  17. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    Gotta be honest, I don't see what the big deal with Surface tablets is. This is not a groundbreaking maneuver, and Acer should probably look at Google's Nexus series before crying foul and taking their ball home in a huff. Google has built and released phones and tablets into the market, yet their OEMs and partners still keep trekking along and making money. How? Because Google (like Microsoft will be doing) release their own branded hardware that is a reference design for how the company thinks a system should be. It's basically a big "here's how you should do it" to the industry. It becomes just another model / brand, in a very large diluted pool of possibilities. It also serves to bolster and advertise the platform in general.

    But hey, if Acer wants to jump ship and make a big push for other alternatives (like Linux), and other big manufacturers follow suit, maybe with Surface we're witnessing the small crack in the dam that eventually leads to a flood. Or (more likely) it'll prove itself to be a non-issue, with a lot of hot air and herp derp flying around, eventually amounting to nothing.
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  18. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 2,050   +699

    You realize that now? The goal of every business everywhere is always to make money. There's a famous book business college professors make their students read called "The Goal" (google it). The goal is to make money.

    Look at any action any company takes and ask 'Why'. When you realize the answer, ask 'Why?' again. (Just like a 4 year old actually) and when you run out of answers you'll realize the end of the line is to make money.
  19. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,105   +18

    I've always found MS's hardware to be solid, but rather bland, and often rather expensive.

    It never had those cooler factors that made me usually buy a competitor's product.
  20. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    I totally agree. With the exception of the Sidewinder joystick - I got quite a lot of miles out of that one, after breaking several competitors' sticks. Their general hardware though, is pretty meh.
  21. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 1,887   +353

    I was thinking out loud really. I realize that the goal is to make money, its just that you originally had to make a good product to make money. now people will buy anything (call of duty anyone) regardless of how good it is...
  22. Scavengers

    Scavengers TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 101   +16

    Money is the life of any company. And every human on Earth. You didn't get the memo?

    Dave
  23. MS to the world:

    I am no longer content to willing for others work as a community and produce/assemble/develop a product. No more building of industry, that is not capitalism, that is weakness. My shareholders deserve better, you can work somewhere else where weakness is tolerated. This is about $$ man, are you a communist!!

    I want the whole pie, besides, that is what Apple does, why can't I.....

    The message here is greed? No not in America! Right?
  24. Tyhudg

    Tyhudg Newcomer, in training

    Money has very little to do with this move in the immediate future IMO. This is more about recreating the windows PC and changing end users perception of Microsoft.

    MS is showing its partners three main things IMO:
    -Don't cram your systems with bloatware; it is going to ruin the tablet experience when it is running 120 processes on day 3. The closed RT ecosystem will be great for less able users, and the Pro version will be good for power users and the like, but you will have a great starting point out of the box. I owned a windows 7 HP tablet, the experience is ruined when you touch and nothing happens because your computer is trying to sell you various crap. Acer is not bad, but virtually every other big name OEM is bad for this. An everyday user is going to be choked when they have to take the system to local repair to get it optimized within the first week.
    -Innovate, design exciting new products, and stop relying on us to wow users for you. Remember the BTX tower(Which was a failure, but to fail you must try)? What about INTELS ultrabook initiative? Why aren't OEMs coming up with these great innovations for the windows PC? If anything windows is flexible and adaptive to new designs.
    -We aren't letting OEMs ruin our run at the tablet market. MS eyed the tablet long before Apple, and let the OEMs destroy it with lackluster products(Acer Iconia and HP Slate are two tablets that come to mind that I have personally used a great deal of, although both post date the Ipad, many more terrible XP tablets were released if you look around). If MS fails, you can't say they didn't give 100%.

    Just my opinion anyway. Surface will be great, acer is just angry because it is going to hurt OEM tablet sales bad, because it is a sick product. If you want something done right....
  25. lol at acer chairman...
    quote:
    "think it over. Think twice. It will create a huge negative impact for the ecosystem and other brands may take a negative reaction. It is not something you are good at so please think twice."

    from the time ipad came, we always hear that there's a new ipad killer in the making.
    28 days (and 2 years+) later, we still don't see anything that can take the ipad face to face.

    ...except now that we have ms surface (rt and pro)...

    ...if acer doesnt' care enough to release a wonderful product, then follow your own thinking, find other software partners...
    ...wait, acer iconia tab a500/a100/a101 are powered by android OS?... LOL.


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