AGP Vs. PCIE ... Which Is Best ?

[CMH]

Actually, given that we're supposed to be talking about sticking with old technology, I'd suggest we ditch all our LCDs and stick with good old CRT monitors. By doing that we don't need to chase new graphics cards, which comes with DVI ports and no VGA ports, which were the best, since you only needed one, compared to the 2 DVI ports needed in some new monitors these days.

At the same time, why do we need computers? Without them, we would have been having alot of fun reading books and going fishing. And maybe playing marbles. Why just stop at using AGP instead of PCIe?



Sorry, but I think today I'm especially in the mood for being sarcastic.

 

[captaincranky]

Just Because.........

At the same time, why do we need computers?

I think know why the children (under 30) need computers. They've probably never learned to m********e properly.

Sorry, but I think today I'm especially in the mood for being sarcastic.

You're among friends, it's OK to admit you might be in the mood to be sarcastic every day. I know I am. Night All!

 

[CMH]

You're among friends, it's OK to admit you might be in the mood to be sarcastic every day. I know I am. Night All!

Very funny. Its not night yet!


Everyone knows I'm sarcastic everyday, but its just that today its especially so. Maybe its because I'm actually supposed to be doing work right now.

 

[captaincranky]

I think therefore I can't...! Does that sound right?

Very funny. Its not night yet!

Well it certainly was for me. (3:00 AM, Colonies,EST) The way I procrastinate, my sub-conscious must believe I'm in high school. That would make me young at heart.

Everyone knows I'm sarcastic everyday, but its just that today its especially so. Maybe its because I'm actually supposed to be doing work right now.

Remember, if you state the obvious, you're very rarely wrong. My Mantra.
Good days happen so infrequently, embrace them!

 

[SNGX1275]

AGP if you look at the name it is Accelerated Graphics Port, that is all it does, graphics. PCI Express though can do all sorts of things. The reason PCI hasn't died is because there wasn't really anything better for it to go to, the thing with the higher bandwidth was AGP and it only does graphics. With PCI Express now we'll see other things migrate away from regular PCI.

The article linked was written a 2 years ago. The KO'd link is pretty laughable because the 3dmark scores (again from 05) weren't very far apart at all in terms of numbers, but the graphs were created in such a way to make it look like the AGP card blew away the PCI Express card. Some of the other pages where they tied the graphs are much more reasonable.

Back when the 7800 was released it was great because also at that time there weren't many PCI Express cards that good, also because there weren't any cards on the PCI Express side that were pushing more bandwidth than the AGP 8x could handle. Now I believe that the actual bandwidth used by high end PCI Express cards are surpassing the bandwith capable by AGP.

Another thing that PCI Express wins on is power. AGP 4x/8x can deliver 25/42 Watts to the card, PCI Express 16x can deliver 75 Watts. While this isn't good enough for the high end cards, it does mean that you can run a 60W card without a power connector from the PSU, important in OEM builds.

This is analogous to comparing ISA to PCI.

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

AGP will still be around not for the fact that it is better, but moreso for the fact that the majority of the people around the world still use AGP cards. It might not be true for the US and Europe, but for the rest of the world it certainly is. Where I live, AGP is still dominant and AGP cards sell much more than their PCI-E counterparts. ATI and NVIDIA haven't totally abandoned AGP as well, as stated here and here.

 

[Stick'o ram]

I think PCIe will win in the long run (if not already) just because the possible bandwith is so much higher. Sure there isn't any diffrence at low or medium resoultions but when you start to get into the higher ones I bet that AGP will succumb to not enough bandwith. And the reason that AGP beats PCIe from time to time is because of OS or game optimizations. Sure AGP is kinda keeping up with PCIe however I think it will be gone by the end of next year at the latest (until AGP Express :stickout: ) simply because it is only graphics related.

And by the way does anybody know AGP pro is? I saw a videocard in newegg listed as that.

 

[captaincranky]

2010: A graphics Port Oddesy

AGP will still be around not for the fact that it is better, but moreso for the fact that the majority of the people around the world still use AGP cards. It might not be true for the US and Europe, but for the rest of the world it certainly is. Where I live, AGP is still dominant and AGP cards sell much more than their PCI-E counterparts. ATI and NVIDIA haven't totally abandoned AGP as well, as stated here and here.

Fair enough, but that wasn't the question. The technological "Diaspora" begins in the US and Europe, and this is where the "trending" should be observed. The quicker the machines are replaced for new, then the quicker the older technologies will be be replaced. The pricing structure in America for electronics (in non-manufacturing countries) is probably the best in the world. I say this because we are manipulated by the marketing and advertising segment of the electronics and that is the only segment of the industry that has actual contact with the buying public. Even that is one step removed, since the only feedback option available to the customer is buy or not buy. But technological advancement does drive the industry since it delivers the "talking points" to the hucksters.
Were to you go to Cuba you would find thousands of 1950s & 60s American cars. that doesn't mean they want to drive them, it only means they have to!
Better or worse really doesn't enter into the equation either. However the industry does like to present tangible improvements to the sales depts., since it does make stuff easier to sell. "Ending is better than mending", Aldous Huxley, Circa 1937. (Quote from "Brave New World").
I live in the US, something I appreciate it more when I see how much more things cost in the UK and Australia. There are places in the world which probably use the abacus. When regular PCI hits these places, it will likely start an electronics revolution. Simultaneously, we'll all be using PCI-E 2.0 and our 13 year old computer whiz kids will ask, "AGP, what the heck is that".

 

[the.freak]

Slow down you guys .... I just want to say that AGP still has the advantage of experience ... PCIE is still not perfected 100% ... If shops have more PCIE than AGP it don't mean that PCIE is the best ... Example : "DJ Paul VanDyk is #1 DJ", it don't mean his music is #1, it means he's #1 in ticket sales ... Get my drift?

 

[captaincranky]

Fair Enough.....

This would explain Snora Jones and James Blount

 

[SNGX1275]

I just want to say that AGP still has the advantage of experience ... PCIE is still not perfected 100% ...

What are you talking about? Could you provide some examples of this not perfected PCIE and the problems arising from it?

 

[CMH]

PCIe has been around long enough to be "perfected".

And if its not, it shouldn't matter soon anyhow, PCIe2.0 is already on its way to replace it.

Many people in the world still use AGP, but I swear, looking for an AGP motherboard is a pain in the ***. They're virtually nonexistant, and virtually all new motherboards today DON'T come with AGP ports.

As for the rest of the world still sticking with AGP, I sincerely doubt that anyone would make AGP cards just to cater to markets where people don't have money to spend. They'll ship integrated graphics instead, where there is demand in businesses worldwide. Integrated graphics cards are getting pretty powerful, powerful enough to play the games made during the AGP era.


Besides, if you're saying AGP has the advantage of experience, how old was the AGP when PCIe was released? I'm sure PCIe is about half that age by now....

 

[Stick'o ram]

When is ISA Express going to come out.

Ahh.. I can't wait :bounce:

 

[CMH]

ISA express has been worked on for quite a few years, but its performance was still not up to par. Not enough to warrant a whole new shift in technology. However, rumors (spread by me) says that when released, would be fast enough, and would replace the PCIe2.0, and it should happen soon after. The benefits of ISA express is that it was built solely with multiple GPU in mind, and with the growing number of dual GPU systems being built, it probably will take over the graphics market.