AMD confirms Radeon 6000 reveal and Zen 3 launch for October

[Eldritch]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

 

[grumblguts]

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[Squid Surprise]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

I don't think they're that foolish.... if they're not marketing their card as a 3070 killer, it's probably because it isn't...

What they're hoping for is that it's pretty close - and they'll make it cheaper...

 

[Evernessince]

That would be nice... but I wouldn't hold your breath... Nvidia also thinks so, as rumours of a 3070Ti being held in reserve suggest...

If Nvidia released a card between the 3070 and the 3080 with power consumption between the two at a good price, I'd probably buy that depending on what AMD has.

Right now it's either 220w TDP or 320w TDP for the 3070 and 3080. 250w is the sweet spot IMO.

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

You can cancel a pre-order at any time and rumors say initial stock will be very low. If I were AMD I wouldn't rush.

People used to complain that AMD was too quick on the draw and now that they are actually being smart people are complaining they aren't doing anything. Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't

 

[Squid Surprise]

If Nvidia released a cart between the 3070 and the 3080 with power consumption between the two at a good price, I'd probably buy that depending on what AMD has.

I suspect the rumoured 3070Ti won't see the light unless AMD releases a card that falls in around there... let's hope AMD does, so Nvidia is forced to respond

 

[Bp968]

Its for the long haul of the card.

We know VRAM usage has been going up and 2-3 years from now you will want your GPU to have 16GB vs 10GB. Not everyone upgrades gpus every year.

You are thinking now he is thinking long term.

Check out some of the coverage of this "issue" on gamers nexus. The "vram usage" line you see in your software of choice isn't a true use of vram, and the game is useing less then that (its just the tuning software can't actually tell whats allocated and whats used).

This "not enough vram" has been a consistent refrain for years now and it never really pans out. Plus you have the problem of market penetration. AMD accounts for a couple percent of GPU market share. Current games in development are targeting the majority of the market which is 6GB of VRAM. Soon to be 8GB of VRAM. By the time 10GB of VRAM isn't "enough" (ie, that it impacts framerates or the quality of the gaming) we will be talking about the 5xxx series cards (or even later).

I'm excited to see what AMD brings to the table, especially in the CPU field. But their big navi will not be competitive with the 3080 in any way. And the really annoying part for me is even if it was competitive on a price and silicon level, it still wouldn't be competitive at the driver level. They have gotten much better the past 2-3 years but their still lagging far behind the level of game and driver support Nvidia brings to the table.

Nvidia was too focused on AI, and enterprise and Turing was an embarrassing misstep for them. I don't expect that to happen twice.

 

[Bp968]

So that‘s why they released the 3080 on the 102 die and not the 104 like the 2080....

Nah, you need to compare costs (to make) and die size. Nvidia totally screwed with the naming scheme of turing to muddy the waters so it looked like you got more performance then you actually did. And now people are confused *again* because of the 3090 and you have people saying the 3090 is another massive price increase when its actually a price decrease. Nvidia did this to themselves though so I have no sympathy. Here lets have a look at die sizes:

The 1080ti was 471mm². (14nm (TSMC)
The 2080ti was 754mm². (12nm TSMC)
The 3080 is 627mm². (8nm samsung)
And just to muddy the waters the 2080 was 545mm².

So the 2080ti cost massively more to manufacture then the 1080ti while delivering mediocre performance improvements. But the 3080 is smaller and from the rumors it sounds like nvidia got a deal on the fab process from samsung, so its likely a fair bit cheaper to make.

And the 3090 is pretty clearly the RTX Titan replacement, not the 3080ti. I suspect the ram is exactly why we got the 3080/3090 combo like we did. As soon as denser ram chips arrive we will likely see a 3080ti or possibly even a revamped 3090 (super, or ti) so they can use a smaller PCB to fit all that ram.

The 3090 is an amazing deal if your doing compute work or AI stuff that needs the 24gb of vram. But all the ram is useless to a gamer so your paying near double for a fairly small performance boost. Id buy the 3080 and pocket the 800$ difference and use it on the 3080 super or 4080 in 18-24 months.

 

[Vrmithrax]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

I'm not so sure. They put out teasers to try to vent off some of the momentum Nvidia has with the 3xxx series announcements and coming pre-order window. But, I would not be surprised at all if there were some convenient "leaks" of Big Navi benchmarks and performance specs in the next week or 2 that might give buyers reason to pause and wait to see what AMD's offerings can do against Nvidia's lineup. Or, as @Evernessince pointed out, people can always cancel pre-orders later, if it is going to take a while to get a card. AMD is probably better to be calm and launch the product right, not rush and take a chance on stumbling just to beat out Nvidia's release dates.

 

[Lionvibez]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

I think its too early to make this call.

First will these cards actually show up at retailers at MSRP which is rarely ever true.

Second what is Stock going to be like ?

Looking back at this in a month will give you a better indication if this will play out that way.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Xmas is coming!

My new Throne of games will soon be upon us.

 

[TheBigT42]

I can't wait to finally upgrade my i7 4770K and GTX 970.

 

[TheBigT42]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

Those cards are not even out yet any popularity is on paper.

 

[NightAntilli]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

nVidia most likely can't keep up with the demand anyway.

 

[zamroni111]

I'm curious. What game(s) do you need 16GB of VRAM for?

8k games

 

[candle_86]

Also plausible. But that only works if game makers make games that actually use that much VRAM (which they may not want to do if they look at the market and see that most people only have X amount of VRAM on average)

The average is 4 GB, followed by 8.

 

[Gahl1k]

I'm curious. What game(s) do you need 16GB of VRAM for?

The only game I have seen allocating more than 11GB of VRAM is Red Dead Redemption 2 at 4K on a Radeon VII.

 

[Gahl1k]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

Nvidia's new cards are extremely popular with cryptocurrency miners, that's for sure.

 

[Eldritch]

AMD made a big mistake here.
Right now, RTX 3070 is extremely popular and huge number of people who skipped first generation of RTX cards were looking precisely for something like this, a proper RTX card that beats the previous flagship and costs below $500.

Preorders of various Nvidia cards are about to begin in a week but AMD will only start to reveal its card after one and half month. Lots of people who are looking to upgrade won't risk stocks running out and will preorder as there is nothing to suggest that AMD will be able to beat RTX 3070 at this price point.

This could have been very easily avoided with some benchmarks and basic details to hook the people into waiting for Navi. But nothing at all was shared by AMD. Big marketing blunder right there.

So only rebuttal I got was basically that Nvidia will run out of stock so AMD need not worry to much and launch it in on their time.

In my view, if your strategy relies on counting on your opponent stock being sold out then it's a really sad position to be in. I maintain my position.

 

[Gomos]

Maybe they should be aware that a lot of people following AMD will be confused by that way of writing dates. Every time I see the image I think of an August release.

 

[Mister_K]

4K?

This.

Also I would love AMD to really just go hard with VRAM and good quality memory at that too. I would love to see 24GB to 32GB VRAM if physically possible for professional use.

 

[StupidPeopleSuk]

Spoiler alert: tomorrow never comes...

Tomorrow was yesterday, and yesterday is still coming... probably tomorrow or the day after, hahaha

 

[max0x7ba]

The only game I have seen allocating more than 11GB of VRAM is Red Dead Redemption 2 at 4K on a Radeon VII.

Red Dead Redemption 2 allocates less than 7GB of VRAM on 1080Ti 4K Ultra quality.

 

[sickb0y]

One thing for sure, I will either buy a 3070 or a Big Navi this year.
Ladies and Gentlemen, lets ready our wallets, shall we?

hmmm no....

 

[Lionvibez]

So only rebuttal I got was basically that Nvidia will run out of stock so AMD need not worry to much and launch it in on their time.

In my view, if your strategy relies on counting on your opponent stock being sold out then it's a really sad position to be in. I maintain my position.

why don't you quote the rebuttal and not yourself? So we know what you are responding to?

 

[dnous]

At the very least they have learned from the terrible marketing they did with Vega (the whole poor Volta and gaming revolution campaign).