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AMD officially launches Mantle, new driver and patches available soon

By Scorpus
Jan 30, 2014
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  1. AMD's hotly-awaited Mantle API is finally ready for a public unveiling, with new patches and drivers enabling the low-level API going live from today. To start with, anyone wanting to utilize Mantle in a supported game must install the new...

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  2. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,214   +522

    About time, I was wondering when this was going to happen.
  3. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 3,469   +622

    So core i3 with AMD GPU may be the future sweet spot for a gaming rig, if playing Mantle games.
    wildrage likes this.
  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,981   +1,488

    So AMD couldn't compete with Intel in the CPU arena, and now they are intentionally engineering games to be less dependent on the CPU. Talk about an extremely hilarious fix for their inadequacies.
  5. TEH88

    TEH88 TS Rookie

    SHOON....(eyes twinkling)
  6. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Booster Posts: 967   +97

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  7. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,551   +97

    "On the other hand, if an Intel Core i7-4960X is used with an R9 290X, the performance boost is only 9.2% when Mantle is enabled."

    Wonder what I can expect with 2600K and crossfire 7970s. 'Only' 9% would still be a substantial gain and put me closer to being able to vsync with 96Hz. Can't wait to try Mantle enabled BF4.
  8. V3A3X

    V3A3X TS Rookie

    You can polish a turd, and it will still be a turd, may be shiny, but definitely no more than a turd
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,981   +1,488

    I would have never guessed that was a turd in your avatar.
    psycros and St1ckM4n like this.
  10. Steve

    Steve TechSpot Staff Posts: 1,364   +458 Staff Member

    Maybe its just well polished.

    Never fear guys once AMD get us a working driver we will get some testing done!
    VitalyT likes this.
  11. The ONLY people with the best CPUs are the people with a new top of the line CPU. Not everyone has a new CPU and not everyone purchases the top of the line CPU. As a result there are many people that will benefit from this. I'm glad you can upgrade to the top of the line CPU ever time they are released. As for me, I keep my systems a lot longer than that.
     
  12. ghasmanjr

    ghasmanjr TS Booster Posts: 363   +86

    This is awesome. Even with "only" a boost of 9%, I will finally never drop below 60 fps on Battlefield 4 on the largest maps like Paracel Storm. I get about 70-75 fps on Locker, but that is indoors, dark, and dreery.. Paracel Storm is beautiful and well done but I can imagine that it is slowly killing my gpus seeing that they only get 58 fps average.
  13. Just what I was thinking, it's quite disappointing AMD just can't compete with Intel on CPU power.
  14. fimbles

    fimbles TS Evangelist Posts: 1,260   +147

    If you cant beat them, Make their product irrelevant. :)
    psycros, Puiu and ghasmanjr like this.
  15. Every time I fire up BF4, there are "gigs" of updates..... Today, was no different... 1.3GB update.. I say there are other sections in this update aside from a MANTLE patch...atleast I hope so. To need a 1.3GB update just use MANTLE is a lil' rediculous. On the flip side.. the new 14.1 is not available on AMD Yet as of 10:30am EST. BUT>..... I have been using the "Kaveri" driver, or the 13.30 driver and have noticed a huge difference in Crossfire and FPS in games over all. As well as going from CrossFire to single card, with Non-Kaveri drivers was giving me fits... It had a mind of its own whether it wanted to switch from 2 to 1 card, or vice versa. I have a higher end system, but I Tell ya I hope the new drivers work out. I'm <-> this close to switching to Nvidia cards.
  16. OliTheG

    OliTheG TS Member Posts: 61   +25

    "only 10% improvement on an R9-290X"

    Do you not realise that that is basically 1, if not 2, generations of graphical power ahead in that case, as the R9-290 is not even 10% more powerful than the 7970 without mantle.

    But no, keep sucking on NVidia, and their inflated prices.
  17. Wow, it's amazing how some of you naysayers are just plain *****s and I bet don't even understand how Mantle works. All Mantle does at this point is remove the CPU overhead that exists in DirectX and OpenGL, and perhaps slightly improves GPU performance.

    This is excellent news for people with low end CPUs and decent GPUs because now they'll see a drastic improvement in FPS. Not only that, but this API also improves your minimum FPS, if you take a closer look at the results in this article...

    http://www.techpowerup.com/197396/d...-4-directx-vs-mantle-performance-numbers.html

    You'll see that the framerate is also much smoother, so it pretty much eliminates the large frame dips you usually see in games. I think AMD has a winner here.
  18. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,285   +232

    I guess I see it a little differently. AMD's APUs already excel in media and graphics over Intel's IGP solutions. This is a case of AMD leveraging the actual GPU side of their business, and coming up with solutions that leverage the power in GPUs towards taking the load of CPUs. In other words, AMD is coming up with clever technological ways to compete and be relevant. Doesn't seem like an effort that deserves nothing but derision and condescension. At least they are trying.
    psycros likes this.
  19. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder TS Evangelist Posts: 2,214   +522

    I think there is come mis-communication with what Mantle works with and how much of a performance improvement there is and with what hardware makes these improvements. Mantle makes use of 8 CPU cores and takes some of the weight off the CPU and puts it towards the GPU giving it some nice improvements. It makes use of multi-threading on the CPU to give some nice performance improvements across the board which will make having the 8 Core FX chip. Im curious what this will overall do for me, ill have to give it a try when 14.1 is available on my system.
  20. So many neg comments for an improvement.
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  21. Gary S

    Gary S TS Rookie

    How is AMD supposed to compete with Intel when Intel has an R&D department that employees almost the same amount of people as AMD does company wide?
    psycros likes this.
  22. ghasmanjr

    ghasmanjr TS Booster Posts: 363   +86

    They compete by releasing ultra high end cards this year that are priced similarly to Nvidia's cards. The R9 series is a huge bang for their buck. I'm glad they stopped trying to match Intel cpu-wise. They focused on their gpu and made huge advancements this year.
    psycros likes this.
  23. CPUs are history. The new generation of processors are going to combine the CPU/GPU into a single completely hybrid processing unit, with the cpu cores and gpu cores actively getting scheduled for performing serial, vector, and/or scalar computations in parallel.

    In the old CPU model, all the graphics and programming have to be scheduled by the GPU, which means a slower CPU, then a smaller performance of the system.

    In any new hybrid processor architecture, the CPU cores runs at maximum speed and the GPU cores run at maximum speed without having to wait for each other. The latter means a new way to write software, which is not CPU centric.

    This is the first HSA/hUMA hybrid chip from AMD. This architecture has a hugemongous capability to improve the performance by a magnitude of times in many areas.

    Intel does not own high-end GPU technology and only has smaller performance GPUs, so it cannot even use integrated and discrete GPUs to significantly scale the performance.

    All new generation of processors, new generation of high-performance software, and high performance graphics will use the HSA/hUMA programming models, AMD, Samsung, Texas Instruments, etc. will all be using this scalable programmable software and all software using it will scale in performance significantly.

    If you understand CPU/GPU/APU technology, you will know that what we are looking at here is the first light on a new way to write scalable software and a new way to extract/scale all the CPU/GPU core performance from a chip, by getting rid of all the old CPU based performance bottlenecks..

    This is history in the making, and in a couple of years, CPUs will look like dinosaurs..
  24. Correcting mistake in:

    "In the old CPU model processing system, all the graphics and programming have to be scheduled by/through the CPU, which means a slower overall GPU and CPU performance, which causes a loss in overall processing performance."

  25. John Pombrio

    John Pombrio TS Rookie

    The hard part is that Mantle requires pretty new AMD CPU/APU's and CGN graphics cards in order to work. That will NOT help the folks who have older systems that could really use the bump in frame rates.


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