American faces jail time for bringing manga to Canada on his laptop

This wil just play out in the media while we forget the bad budgetary policies of our congress here state side.

It all a part of the lunacy of air travel any more, like the 95 year old, wheelchair bound woman that was force by TAS to drop her depends so we can all be certain she is not a terrorist.

Good call TAS, I feel safer already!


/*end sarcasm */
 
Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'?

Use your heads.
 
milwaukeemike said:
Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'?

Use your heads.

It's their decision. If you're not smart enough to know that you shouldn't be with a 45 year old then you aren't exactly a useful asset, so I don't really care what you do. Knock yourself out and **** everything and everyone that asks.

Also they wouldn't be allowed to search him unless he has a record. So yes , he's probably registered as a sex offender. Notice how my 2nd previous post stated the article was biased and didn't give enough info.

By the way the article is biased. There's a complete lack of proper info and the term manga is used improperly. We don't arrest for that. I don't agree with it but they do arrest for possessing lolicon as for some reason the courts consider that child pornography. There's no such thing as a victimless crime.

..and apparently you don't even realize that the Japan has even started to ban this form of Anime

You serious? I thought they were cool with this type of stuff. Doesn't it originate there?
 
Princeton said:

It's their decision. If you're not smart enough to know that you shouldn't be with a 45 year old then you aren't exactly a useful asset, so I don't really care what you do. Knock yourself out and **** everything and everyone that asks.

I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not the pedophile or the child is at fault in child explotation cases. If that's what you believe go right ahead and keep preaching it and continue to embarass yourself.

My only point was, that we shouldn't be so quick to assume the govt is in the wrong. I googled this, and the only places this made the news are on websites that would favor technology/mmo's/comics etc. I'm guessing that's because this story has, as they say, 'no legs'.
 
@M****ly it is unfortunate more people don't think that way. They would rather be defensive and narrow minded. I guess with age comes wisdom and I would imagine most people who post on this site are somewhat younger.

Glad to see there are still logical thinkers out there hats off to you
 
Princeton said:
Also they wouldn't be allowed to search him unless he has a record. So yes , he's probably registered as a sex offender. Notice how my 2nd previous post stated the article was biased and didn't give enough info.

Strange... your post grew since I posted. You're right about this... there's just enough info to start an argument, but not enough for any conclusions.
 
Strange... your post grew since I posted. You're right about this... there's just enough info to start an argument, but not enough for any conclusions.
Why would you need enough information to draw a conclusion? A good argument comes from the heart and soul....:haha:

Although, it would seem that the "moral majority" is winning, if you can get manga declared "child pornography".

Why is everyone so eager to jump on the govt and defend some guy we know nothing about.

For all we know, this guy is suspected of countless child porn crimes but there isn't enough evidence to charge him and they're looking for anything to nab him. They got Al Capone on tax evasion after all.

These child protection laws aren't crazy, Princeton. Where do you draw the line? 17 yr olds can say yes, but what about 16, or 15, or 14? And to who? yes to their bf or to the 45 yr old who's brainwashed them into thinking he's in love with them? An exploited child can have PTSD for the rest of their lives. So argue all you want, but you error on the side of caution when it comes to this stuff. If you were working the border, would you prefer the headline 'Traveler arrested for having Manga on his PC' or 'Border guard let's pedophile through even after finding disturbing images on his PC'? This makes a lot of sense, but realistically, all he could do with comic books is get the pages all stuck together.

Use your heads.
This makes a lot of sense, but realistically, all he could do with comic books is get the pages all stuck together. Or in this case, smear up his laptop screen, with his "creme d'amor".
 
captaincranky said:
Why would you need enough information to draw a conclusion? A good argument comes from the heart and soul.

A good argument also needs a foundation and there isn't one here. Was this guy randomly chosen for an unlawful invasive search and then arrested by the thought police in Canada? Or did the custom's agents receive a phone call saying 'Find a reason to detail this guy, he's wanted in 12 states and 3 provinces, and he's not in Canada to 'see a friend' he's really on the run from the law.

I'm sure neither of those are true, but I've travelled into Canada countless times and never received a 2nd look, let alone any type of search, so I really doubt this guy is innocent.

I prefer to start arguments with fact, and add the heart and soul later. If you start with it you get a lot of what you see on page one of this story's comments.
 
The reason things like this would be considered CP is because pedos use images of "regular sex" or nude women, or sexual manga/anime to sexualize children which makes it easier to abuse them.

So while 'no children were harmed in the making of this manga', making it something without a victim, it can be used as a tool in order to abuse children, so that's why it could be considered illegal.

As to the defense fund and "legal strategy", well, as we learned with GeoHotz, its pretty easy to play upon moral outrage from the masses, or otaku in this case, all the while you're negotiating a plea. More details will be revealed later as to why exactly he was searched etc.

If he had a prior record of any of such shenanigans, he may be better off just taking the time in jail and playing the part of the victim of an overzealous border agent, than go to trial and have it come out that he's done stuff like this before, and be abused/killed in prison.

His lawyer wants to keep his real name quiet for a good reason, as we do have to maintain the presumption of innocence, even in something as potentially bad as this. But he could be doing it because a quick search of sex offender databases could find out this isn't his first crime, and he probably would not want 4chan all over this guy either, or at least the portion of the board not into it themselves.The longer this guy remains anonymous, the more money is going to pour into the legal fund, and thus pay the lawyer.
 
Lolicon is child porn! Would you want a person who collects that stuff to babysit your children or maybe work at your child's daycare? People have to realize that there ARE things done in the privacy of an adults bedroom that can possibly affect the community the person resides in.
If a Nazi walked on main street with a poster of 500 dead Jews in a ditch with a quote saying "return to our roots", no civilized human would argue for his freedom of speech. Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material and children have that same inherent right not to be looked upon by someone who watches child porn as a potential target. There are some things in this life that just can not be allowed!
 
I would really like to know what manga it is. There is a huge difference IMO between a slightly sketchy manga and a manga filled with loli.
 
When I 1st read 1984 way back when, yes I am old, I thought it as fiction but now I see George Orwell as a clairvoyant and it sickens me to no end.
You do remember that "Ronald RayGuns" was elected for his first term in 1984, don't you? Even so, the "Brave New Orwellian World" had to wait for the "Patriot Act" to begin its seminal phase. I could have been much worse, we could have had Barry Goldwater, or George W. Bush. Whoops, we did get Bush and the Patriot Act, all in the same election.

In any event, outlawing manga is ruthless and stifling. It's like outlawing the sale of crack pipes, thereby forcing users to embrace the use of dangerous home made implements.

All the guy would have had to do is wipe down the laptop screen before he got on the airplane, and there wouldn't have been any turbulence, so to speak.

(OK, the foregoing is satire).

Lolicon is child porn! Would you want a person who collects that stuff to babysit your children or maybe work at your child's daycare? People have to realize that there ARE things done in the privacy of an adults bedroom that can possibly affect the community the person resides in.
If a Nazi walked on main street with a poster of 500 dead Jews in a ditch with a quote saying "return to our roots", no civilized human would argue for his freedom of speech. Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material and children have that same inherent right not to be looked upon by someone who watches child porn as a potential target. There are some things in this life that just can not be allowed!
So you're playing the "Holocaust card", in relation to this story? I frankly don't get why you think that Jews have more to fear from this man than the rest of us.

And speaking of "adult bedrooms, are you lobbying for legislation that would permit you to have a look around? Cause that's like watching the whole movie before you say you say you were offended by it...;)

Before I forget:
Jews have a greater right not to feel intimated in public by this type of material
That's a pretty powerful sense of entitlement you have going for you. Some would say, "obnoxious". Are you suggesting Jews have more rights than the rest of us?
 
@Captaincranky thanks for making me chuckle :)


After thinking of this a bit more I want to know how easily accessible this manga was? I mean did the guy have it up and open on his screen and reading it while in customs? Was it in a hidden folder or on the desktop? What level of search is allowed with no cause or even probably cause? So many unanswered questions? Although the idea of morality police and unwanted search and seizure scares me to no end.
 
Guest Said:
Statutory rape. "I didn't rape that 17 year old girl. She gave her consent. She has been with half the guys in town."
"Yes you did. She was under 18 so we say it was rape. Bend over.

This is so right. In the UK there's also a crazy situation which can be also attached to that law: A 17 year old girl, in the eyes of the law, does not have the mental competence to agree to have sex with a person...Yet, in the same eyes of the same law, a girl as young as 10 has the absalote mentel competence to be capable of premeditated murder, or sexual assault, or even rape.
 
This is so right. In the UK there's also a crazy situation which can be also attached to that law: A 17 year old girl, in the eyes of the law, does not have the mental competence to agree to have sex with a person...Yet, in the same eyes of the same law, a girl as young as 10 has the absalote mentel competence to be capable of premeditated murder, or sexual assault, or even rape.
Look up "Piaget" "concrete operational stage", then "abstract operational stage". That's your reading assignment, get cracking.
 
Look up "Piaget" "concrete operational stage", then "abstract operational stage". That's your reading assignment, get cracking.

"Piaget's theory of cognitive development"...Very interesting stuff :)

Although Piaget's theory is controversial. I can't remember what the hell i was doing as an 10/11 year old...I know i was into solvent abuse, and that's something i wouldn't dream of doing now as an adult.

Thanks Cap ;)

sMILEY4ever said:
He should've password protected everything: OS, files, etc

Unless they sent it away to be cracked...or just put you in jail untill you give them the password(s)
 
Would YOU want YOUR child watched by someone who collected this child porn? I say outlaw it ! No normal man would watch that garbage.
 
jetkami said:
Would YOU want YOUR child watched by someone who collected this child porn? I say outlaw it ! No normal man would watch that garbage.

I don't watch that stuff, but I like to murder people in games, sometimes mass murder if I'm playing a strategy game. Can I babysit your child?
 
HE HAS DRAWINGS ON HIS COMPUTER ARREST HIM. It's ****ing drawings of anime. It's YOUTHFUL art, not child porn.
 
Princeton said:
The country with no gay rights and the patriot act is in no position to bad talk another country dickwads.

There legally allowed to turn on your laptop and go through your stuff? Guess i'm never going to Canada...like I was anyway haha

They don't unless you're a registered Criminal. Also you realize that the privacy in the US where he lives is far worse than what we have in Canada. You guys are so uneducated and so unaware of anything outside of glorious America it's not even funny.

Again. Which country was it where they had the patriot act? Which country has little to no gay rights in the majority of its states. Don't even bother trying to act like Canada is so god damn backwards.

In other news an intriguing correlation was found between anonymous posters on websites and the usage of straw man arguments
woah you need to clam down >.>
honestly, turning to stereotypes doesn't help to prove your case at all. It just makes you look like an *****. Everyone in Canada is so hopped up on drugs they don't know what they're doing. saying that just makes me look like a troll just like what you said does.

you really shouldn't be criticizing guests about using straw man arguments when you yourself are using logical fallacies. EX: your ad Hominem argument describing Americans as ignorant; using the "less developed america" as a red herring in your argument.

I honestly don't get why people take an attack to their country as . I doubt there is a single government without a questionable history. Lets just assume that the U.S. is worse than Canada(i honestly don't know because i don't know much about the laws in Canada). Just because America is worse than Canada, it doesn't mean that Canada is immune from american criticism. Now if you argued that Canada had good reason for what they did, it would be a completely different story. I agree with your sentiments, but not with the way you go about expressing them.

This isn't just to princeton, it's all of you involved in the epeen war of MY COUNTRY IS BETTER THAN YOUR'S.
 
The words child pornography indicate this was a movie depicting a child in a sex act.

Whether this is drawn or not, technicaly legal or not, its wrong.

Bravo to the customs guys.
 
What is or isn't pornography, and what is or isn't child pornography, seems to be a bar creeping lower and lower, placed there. by a self righteous few.

I probably have what some would consider an unusual opinion. I think child beauty pageants are pornographic, and the parents are pimps. A deviant bunch that serve up their own children, in furtherance of their own egomania.

However, I wouldn't consider "lolicon" pornographic, since it doesn't physically involve children. An abstract representation is not a person, in the same context that , "an IP address is not a person".

The physical behavioural outcome of reading lewd comics is determined by the individual, not necessarily the content.

The argument is the same as gun control. "Guns don't kill, people do".

Pornography is big business, whether the Holy Roman Catholic Church approves of it or not! (Come to think of it, they have their own problems, don't they? Hey, maybe the priests have gotten into the "Lolicon Hymnal", and they can excuse their behaviour accordingly).

What all that said, porn is mainstream. After being exposed to it, the great majority of people either please themselves, or have hot sex with their partners. They don't go trolling the internet for underage girls, usually just some more porn.

Keep screwing around, and let hypocritical politicians sell you a bill of moral goods, while they're off exposing themselves in Washington bathrooms, sending emails to to some would be boy toy page, banging the Mexican housekeeper, and fathering children out of wedlock, while their wife is dying of breast cancer.

That's exactly where you should look for your moral guidance, at least if you have a learning disability.

Pretty soon we'll be back to dressing like puritans, while they have taxpayer funded orgies in D.C.
 
fimbles said:
The words child pornography indicate this was a movie depicting a child in a sex act.

Whether this is drawn or not, technicaly legal or not, its wrong.

Bravo to the customs guys.

So drawings are wrong but murder simulations are A.O.K.?

There's a lot of things that are "wrong"* with the world, porngraphic drawings shouldn't be at the top of the list to the point where you get sent to jail for it.

*Morality isn't a thing set in stone or something you can explain. The question you should be asking yourself is, did this hurt anyone? Was this created by hurting someone?

You can't simply claim something is wrong because it disgusts you. I think Civilization has progressed far enough where we don't condemn people based on someone's feelings on the matter.
 
Ok WAIT THE HELL UP!...

Before you go all Kamikaze american style, the story is written to get a response from all of you who can't think deeper then black and white.

This guy has a criminal history with child pornography charges in the past... so... when his name came up in the system it was flagged as a "search" target.

During the search this "Manga" popped up with drawing of VERY young girls in sexual acts.

Upon finding these "Manga" material, it was seized under the grounds of a more through search since there was ALLOT of files and folders "Encrypted" and password protected with names that show pornographic nature.

Anyone on this forum would feel that, given his past with child pornography and material demeaned similar in nature, would warrant a deeper search into his computer to see if there is REAL child porn.... so stop you crying and starting to think bigger people!
 
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