ATM operators looking to replace outgoing XP with Linux

By Shawn Knight
Mar 24, 2014
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  1. A number of financial firms and ATM operators are considering a move to Linux as Microsoft's April 8 end-of-support date for Windows XP is quickly approaching. Migrating to the open source OS would reportedly give operators more control over both...

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  2. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 657   +70

    What? lol
    Do they mean they just never want to upgrade?
  3. I know some folks are in love with Linux.
    I worked in Enterprise support for many years, supporting UNIX then LINUX, and believe me LINUX is no panacea.
    Just because it is open source doesn't mean it is not vulnerable to hacking. Anybody who worked in the UNIX/LINUX world and had to deal with customers who wouldn't install the Security fixes we sent then knows this.
    Next- whose distro is best?
    Who is going to support the distro?

    The article indicates that operators want to sync hardware and software upgrades. Does that mean they won't be upgrading software when a new vulnerability is found until the next hardware upgrade cycle?
    madboyv1 and hahahanoobs like this.
  4. The last time I watched my banks ATM boot up it was still using OS2, and that was not that long ago.
  5. Hasbean

    Hasbean TS Enthusiast Posts: 92   +21

    Hey we're lucky their spending any money on ATM's, usually the banksters are too busy spending on fast cars and even faster hookers.
    psycros likes this.
  6. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    Anything to replace XP. Open Source is always good.
  7. gamoniac

    gamoniac TS Enthusiast Posts: 289   +67

    Are you sure? Open source has its place, but always good... seriously?
    hahahanoobs likes this.
  8. gamoniac

    gamoniac TS Enthusiast Posts: 289   +67

    I didn't mean to come across as harsh. It's just that XP had its prime moment. It is truly the banks' and ATM vendors' responsibility to keep their product up-to-date. Blaming this on a 12 years old operating system just isn't fair.

    Not that commercial software has no flaws (far from it) but here are three HUGE open source security issues, all from Ars. There are many more. As "guest" pointed out above, all software needs security patches and maintenance, open source or not.

    Linux critical crypto flaw

    And a old ones:
    Linux malware attack

    PHP bugs
    Jad Chaar likes this.
  9. Well... Linux is open-source,

    the bank maybe make their own distro & maintained by them... logically they have more control over the software & hardware upgrade cycle.
    adonisfigueroa likes this.
  10. gamoniac

    gamoniac TS Enthusiast Posts: 289   +67

    And I apologize for the snobbish comment. There is no place for that.
    psycros likes this.
  11. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    That is true, but then again, those bugs can always be fixed. You can never have a 100% secure OS until quantum encryption comes to prime time.
  12. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar TS Evangelist Posts: 6,473   +963

    Dont worry about it man! Everyone has their opinion. I completely agree with you :).
    gamoniac likes this.
  13. NTAPRO

    NTAPRO TS Evangelist Posts: 809   +102

    I'm surprised that they weren't prepared for a new alternative for the inevitable cease of support for Windows XP. It had been mentioned a good number of times :/
  14. misor

    misor TS Evangelist Posts: 1,130   +188

    These bankers are like some taxpayers of my country. waiting for the the last day to file income tax returns to the BIR (IRS equivalent in the philippines), always asking for extensions.
    since it was already many years ago that Microsoft has declared the end of support for xp, these bankers should already have tested other alternative OSes.

    agree with you @NTAPRO.
  15. Why spend money upgrading XP when there is no secure alternative? At least XP is somewhat stable at this point and will no longer be crashed by BSODs from updates.

    With all the theft devices for ATMs and 3D printing becoming commonplace, why are we still using ATMs? The new chip system will not stop the theft either. It's already been extensively compromised in Europe. Do a little search for SMART CHIP CREDIT CARD THEFT and read up.
  16. bexwhitt

    bexwhitt TS Enthusiast Posts: 265   +39


    A separate fork just for ATMs would be sensible going for general purpose linux would be as foolish as going to xp in the first place.

    ATM's don't do much, a cut down, cut off version of linux would just the ticket
  17. We live a good life, laughing at those who call us banksters while we snort cocaine from the jubblies of a blonde bimbo sitting on the bonnet of our Ferraris.
  18. It's a very interesting choice.... Switching over to Linux won't magic fix this issue. When Linux has a security issues in the kernel. The question is that... Will they update it?

    Another issue, many times when Linux update. It breaks the 3rd party drivers while Windows don't break for many years compared to Linux kernel.

    Seriously, I would have gone to QNX. A real time kernel is a perfect task for ATM. Plus it has better commercial support and their ATM drivers won't break at the every kernel update.
    psycros likes this.
  19. "With all the theft devices for ATMs and 3D printing becoming commonplace, why are we still using ATMs? The new chip system will not stop the theft either. It's already been extensively compromised in Europe. Do a little search for SMART CHIP CREDIT CARD THEFT and read up."

    I don't understand this..
    first, care to explain what is the connection between ATM theft with 3D printing? is that mean you will need a 3D printing to make a dummy/fake ATM card?
    second, seriously? we still need ATMs.. period

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