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bird flu

By twite
May 3, 2006
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  1. what do you all think of this bird flu? Will it really be the next "pandemic"..
     
  2. Fiziks

    Fiziks Banned Posts: 229

    nope it won't
     
  3. Peddant

    Peddant TS Rookie Posts: 1,644

    Nope it won`t.
     
  4. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    You two guys seem fairly sure that Bird flu won`t become infectable between humans. What makes you so sure?

    Most of the worlds health scientists, are saying it`s actually quite possible for this to happen.

    At the moment, humans can only get the disease from infected birds. However, if the virus mutates to become infectable from human to human, then we`ve got a major problem on our hands.

    The flu pandemic of 1918 killed approximately 20 to 40 million people world wide. See HERE for more info.

    Given that air travel etc wasn`t as prevalent as it is now. A similar outbreak could potentially kill a lot more people now.

    I really hope you two guys are right. I guess only time will tell.

    Regards Howard :)
     
  5. Fiziks

    Fiziks Banned Posts: 229

    birds have always been dirty animals, people just need to learn to stop kissing with mouthfuls of raw chicken
     
  6. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    yes, air travel was not available then, but now we also have vaccines, masks, hospitals,plans, and alot more protection then in 1918. Also, that was inbetween world war1 and the great depression, so many people were very poor and living on the streets and in tight quarters were transfer of disease was alot easier. Well, as you said i do pray that the disease doesn't mutate..but if it does..what can you do? Thats life.
     
  7. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    Very funny Fiziks. However, that doesn`t answer my question.

    What makes you so sure there won`t be a flu pandemic?

    It`s happened before, that`s plain to see. So what`s to stop it happening again?

    Regards Howard :)
     
  8. Fiziks

    Fiziks Banned Posts: 229

    faith.....
     
  9. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    Also, as crued as this seems, a pandemic of such high scale could be could for this world...It is way over populated. If it isn't the "bird flu" thats going to kill us, it probably going to be the fact that were supplying gas to 3 billion peoples cars every day which we are completely dependent on which then destroys the ozone layer, melts a glacier..ocean rises..basically we are going to run out of resources..and tthe world is going to explode or sumthing...either that or we will go to war with iran and we will have a nuc fest and cover the world with radiation and nucleor smoke..huh..what can you do
     
  10. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    Infuenza is a virus and is difficult to vaccinate against, particularly since we don`t know what strain it could mutate into. That`s the problem.

    How can you produce and test a vaccine against a strain of flu that hasn`t arrived yet.

    A lot of the worlds population is still poor and simply wouldn`t be able to cope with an outbreak of what may well be a very virrulent strain of flu.

    I hope this never happens in my lifetime and the lifetimes of my children and grandchilden.

    However, I can`t help thinking that it will happen sooner or later.

    Regards Howard :)
     
  11. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    well they are saying that the current vaccine for the "non bird flu" flu will help protect against the bird flu to some degree..
     
     
  12. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    Mmm. Interesting idea. I can`t recall any disease I`ve ever read about, being stopped purely by faith.

    Not one that`ll help a great deal, if or when a pandemic strikes.

    Regards Howard :)
     
  13. CrossFire851

    CrossFire851 TS Rookie Posts: 1,058

    The common cold kills millions every year, and there is no cue for it (athough there is treatment). We are talking about something that has only killed a few dozen people.


    We should be more worried about west nile.
     
  14. SOcRatEs

    SOcRatEs TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,382

    Don't you mean the return "pandemic"..?
    It most assuredely has been and took out 3.8 million early last century.
    Many animal diseases have made the jump/transmutation to human hosts.
    VD, sif and gonha
    HIV
    to mention some scarey stuff.
    lhimes
    kissing bugs
    Honta
    Bubonic (black)
    rabies
    Are you still certain about the feather flue?
     
  15. Fiziks

    Fiziks Banned Posts: 229

    I still stand behind my opinion
     
  16. Spike

    Spike TS Rookie Posts: 2,371

    A pndemic WILL hit us - even if it's not a H5N1 pandemic. However, H5N1 is currently the most likely candidate, it has been known to be since the late 90's, and is known to still be very very unstable (prone to further and significant mutation). It's also been observed to be making significant progress in mutation to a human transmissable form - and perhaps worryingly, has been demonstratied to be making significant progress compared to the development of the 1918 spanish flu, making as it has in some cases, identical key mutations.

    Personally, I'm not as bothered about the pandemic itself as I am about the fact that all those who currently feel we are somehow immune to a pandemic of any sort in these "enlightened" days will suddenly start panicking. Unfortunately, it only takes a few to start a panic, and the rest will follow like sheep.

    We are WELL overdue for a pandemic, and a pandemic flu in particular. When it comes, I'm off to find myself a nice safe cave somewhere.
     
  17. howard_hopkinso

    howard_hopkinso TS Rookie Posts: 25,948   +19

    I saw this artice over at the Register.

    It certainly made me think.

    The original article can be found HERE
     
  18. halo71

    halo71 TS Rookie Posts: 1,289

    Look...I'm by no means a tree hugging earth saving hippy wannabe or anything. And dont want to get into a debate. But thats a fairly bleek outlook there ya think? Thats kinda like saying AIDS was invented as a population control tool......which some people believe. Maybe it was.....hummm....
     
  19. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    think about it, if their was never any type of diseases,outbreaks, like the ones 1918..the black plague..the one in 1968..ect..what would the worlds population be? proably 1-2 billion people more..that is alot of people..well, thats just my opinion...also heres a intersesting article that seems to give some hope.
    http://www.physorg.com/news10302.html
     
  20. Spike

    Spike TS Rookie Posts: 2,371

    And there's the real issue in my opinion. Human being like to somehow think that they are masters of the world, wheras in fact the world masters us. We are part of it, not the owners of it.

    For anything we could possibly do to this planet, nature could potentially have far worse in store for us.
     
  21. Peddant

    Peddant TS Rookie Posts: 1,644

    It sure looks like it.
     
  22. twite

    twite TechSpot Paladin Topic Starter Posts: 1,083

    looks like you have had a change of opinion their ey Peddant
     
  23. Peddant

    Peddant TS Rookie Posts: 1,644

    A lot can happen in 24hours :eek:
     
  24. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 12,657   +323

    I don't think its going to mutate into a airborn spread thing for humans.

    I also think if China and those island countries around there could get their act together and make decent working conditions for the people and living conditions for the chickens this wouldn't even be an issue.
     
  25. Tedster

    Tedster Techspot old timer..... Posts: 10,074   +13

    oh, just ANOTHER foolish dumb thing the government is trying to scare us into.... like global warming etc...... when the reality is usually far different.
     


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