Buying a new PC, advice needed on processors

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So I'm planning to buy a new PC since my old one malfunctioned and I was unsuccessful at repairing it. I was mainly paying attention to the processors of the choices I have and these mainly caught my attention:

AMD Phenom X4 9650B
AMD Phenom X3 8850
AMD Athlon X3 8750
AMD Phenom X3 720

And basically I want to have a fast computer which would allow me to use many programs simultaneously. I don't care for performance concerning games, so that's why I've payed attention to the multi-core ones for cheaper PCs. Which one of these could be considered fastest for general purposes and should dual-cores also be considered?
 
I would stat away from the phenoms, and look at the phenom II's . Also what motherboard are you looking at getting, Am2+, or Am3?
 
Well i think my original question was a give-away that I really don't know much of the technical aspects of computers. But I have no specific motherboards in mind since I don't really understand the differences. I'm not intending to get all the individual components separately. But so you're saying basically that out of the four processors the last one, Phenom X3 720 would be most feasible since it is the only one from the list in the Phenom II series? Is it possible for a Phenom II dual core to be faster than, say a Phenom quad core?
 
Depends on which Core 2 processors you are referring to. The AMD CPUs are usually more cost-effective, so unless you are getting a Core 2 Quad Q9x50 series CPU for cheaper or for $20 or so more than the Phenom II, I would advise going with the X3 720.
 
Well i think my original question was a give-away that I really don't know much of the technical aspects of computers. But I have no specific motherboards in mind since I don't really understand the differences.
The X3 720 will be a good choice considering the price/performance ratio like Rage pointed out.
As for the motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128378 should be a good option if you will go for AM3 and DDR3.
 
If your looking for bang for bucks I would go for AM2+ over AM3. 8GB 800mhz kits are going for as little as $100 now and are currently far more reliable than DDR3 kits due to them being established tech.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K10N78FullHD-hSLI R3.0&s=
You can pick up this mobo for about $70 now, its what I got my hands on for my X4 945, and the last board I had from them (swapped because it wasn't AM2+) was beyond bulletproof. I was actually able to spill sugary coffee all over the open internals whilst the thing was turned on (a very scary moment tbh), and after airing it out and cleaning the whole thing with white spirit it worked like a charm. Gigabyte can't do that.

Oh btw AsRock is ASUS daughter brand if you are wondering.
 
a couple of flaws there 04ihegba ,
1)
8GB 800mhz kits are going for as little as $100 now and are currently far more reliable than DDR3 kits due to them being established tech.
DDR3 is proven tech and very reliable.
2)
Gigabyte can't do that.
ummm how could you know that?. i was unaware the anyone has conducted a "spill sugary coffee all over the internals whilst the thing was turned on" benchmark

3) Asrock is a entry level motherboard manufacturer, and is of inferior quality compared to Gigabyte.
 
3) Asrock is a entry level motherboard manufacturer, and is of inferior quality compared to Gigabyte.

QFT

They have come along way in the last few years, they used to be downright abysmal, but I would still stay 10ft away. The only time I have ever actually seen capacitor fatigue was in a Asrock.

04ihegba said:
8GB 800mhz kits are going for as little as $100 now and are currently far more reliable than DDR3 kits due to them being established tech.

I would much rather have 4GBs of current technology then 8GBs of a standard that is on its way out. don't get me wrong, I have ddr2 and do not plan to make the jump for awhile. But why would you buy a generation back?
 
a couple of flaws there 04ihegba ,
1)
DDR3 is proven tech and very reliable.
2)
ummm how could you know that?. i was unaware the anyone has conducted a "spill sugary coffee all over the internals whilst the thing was turned on" benchmark

3) Asrock is a entry level motherboard manufacturer, and is of inferior quality compared to Gigabyte.

Since then, AsRock have upped themselves to their owners (ASUS) level of quality, using their parts and (japanese) capacitors at a lower price (oh the joys of buying in bulk), and now I can honestly swear by them. I have built a good near 20 PCs with them (8 of which were for family and friends) and never encountered a problem, and that "sugary coffee" mobo still works fine now even though the thing is over 3 years old.

The Gigabyte Intel board I had before that died of capacitor fatigue, incidentally. The only other 2 Gigabyte boards I have installed have both failed. Maybe I'm just a Gigabyte failure magnet, but I dont belive Gigabyte offers anywhere near the reliability of ASUS or their daughter company, AsRock.

DDR 3 is about as much proven tech as Windows 7 is. It has had a fairly decent run, but cannot currently be compared with the reliability of DDR2 simply due to the fact that DDR2 has had time to season and go through many redesigns. Plus its very cheap and I don't believe the OP is a gamer who would benefit from DDR3 at the price point and risk of using newer less reliable tech.
 
QFT

They have come along way in the last few years, they used to be downright abysmal, but I would still stay 10ft away. The only time I have ever actually seen capacitor fatigue was in a Asrock.



I would much rather have 4GBs of current technology then 8GBs of a standard that is on its way out. don't get me wrong, I have ddr2 and do not plan to make the jump for awhile. But why would you buy a generation back?

Sorry to doublepost, but I thought I would point this out.

8GBs of DDR2 is around the price of 2GB of Current gen DDR3 unless you buy the original 2 volters which are cheap as they are very dangerous territory.
 
Since then, AsRock have upped themselves to their owners (ASUS) level of quality, using their parts and (japanese) capacitors at a lower price (oh the joys of buying in bulk), and now I can honestly swear by them. I have built a good near 20 PCs with them (8 of which were for family and friends) and never encountered a problem, and that "sugary coffee" mobo still works fine now even though the thing is over 3 years old.

they have not, and they are still an entry level board.

The Gigabyte Intel board I had before that died of capacitor fatigue, incidentally. The only other 2 Gigabyte boards I have installed have both failed. Maybe I'm just a Gigabyte failure magnet, but I don't believe Gigabyte offers anywhere near the reliability of ASUS or their daughter company, AsRock.

anecdotal, and its not even debatable that Gigabyte is of higher quality. and you "not believing it" does not make it so.

DDR 3 is about as much proven tech as Windows 7 is.
that doesn't even make sense. comparing an unfinished beta operating system that has not even been released ,with a hardware technology has has been out since 2007. and rolled out over a year ago.
 
they have not, and they are still an entry level board.



anecdotal, and its not even debatable that Gigabyte is of higher quality. and you "not believing it" does not make it so.

Entry Level does not mean unreliable, I am not claiming they make better boards here, simply that they make reliable boards, more so in my experience than Gigabyte boards. They remind me of Foxconn, sacrificing bells and whistles for stuff that just works. No gimmicks, just reference designs. Also, I am recommending them over ASUS boards simply because of price when, if you actually look at the parts list now the majority of the sourced chips are identical to those used by ASUS, as its more economical for ASUS to unify the parts pool. The price difference and fact they are considered "entry level" is merely brand snobbery and that accounts for the extra you pay for. If Asrock were truly "entry level", they would not make 3 way SLi boards, X58 chipset mobos and other high performance gear aimed at non- entry level users.


that doesn't even make sense

DDR3 is emerging tech. We saw in the i7 1.65v **** up that the tech was still new enough to cause problems with hardware. Whilst that was a while ago, its still new enough to be more likely of facing problems than DDR2, and has little noticeable benefits if your not a gamer or heavy 3DS Max etc. user.

Just like Win 7 will have faults when it comes out despite all the testin and betas that have been done... OK, it wasn't the best analogy tbh. :) But Win 7 has already gone gold and patches are still being released for it before it has even reached the release date.

On the contrary, the price differences between 1333mhz DDR2 and 1333mhz DDR3 is quite significant and they are identical performance wise. I sincerely doubt the OP will need higher clock speeds than that as he/she has not mentioned a need for that.
 
what are you talking about?
Entry Level does not mean unreliable, I am not claiming they make better boards
I did not say unreliable,I said gigabyte makes higher quality boards.
This is from their own website BTW :
ASRock Inc., established in 2002, target at entry to mainstream segment MB business

Just like Win 7 will have faults when it comes out despite all the testin and betas that have been done... OK, it wasn't the best analogy tbh. But Win 7 has already gone gold and patches are still being released for it before it has even reached the release date.

????again ,what does win7 have to do with this? and the problems you cited were with the CPU, not DDR3

On the contrary,
on the contrary to what?. i said nothing of the price difference DDR2 vs DDR3. what i said was:
"that doesn't even make sense. comparing an unfinished beta operating system that has not even been released ,with a hardware technology has has been out since 2007. and rolled out over a year ago." in addition DDR3 will overtake DDR2 by the end of this year. its entirely possible the OP may not want DDR3, and that was never my point, it was that you saying DDR3 was unproven and unreliable.
and has little noticeable benefits if your not a gamer or heavy 3DS Max etc. user.
once again your changing the issue, i did not say anything to the contrary to that. it does at this time have a very marginal performance gain over DDR2, however it is the present and immediate future of computer memory....and then not even long, DDR4 is due out by Q4 of 2011.
 
But why would you buy a generation back?

I completely agree. AM3 along with DDR3 provides a better upgrade path for later. More future proof or, as red might state, forward compatible. :)

If you intend to go for ASUS, you might want the M4A78T-E.
 
04ihegba said:
Since then, AsRock have upped themselves to their owners (ASUS) level of quality, using their parts and (japanese) capacitors at a lower price
That is untrue. Motherboard build quality goes far beyond the quality of the caps. ASUS and Gigabyte mobos come with 8-phase and 16-phase power designs, as well as better-quality PCBs and better MOSFETs with lower drain-source resistance, which leads to longer-lasting motherboards that also allow for greater overclocks.

ASRock are great budget boards, but I would only consider them if there was no alternative from Gigabyte or ASUS.
 
@Rage

It seems you are deliberately misinterpreting me.

About the quote from the website

Of course Gigabyte are going to promote themselves on their own site. And the 2oz copper PCB is a waste if you aren't going to OC. And I doubt the OP will if he cares about reliability. ASUS don't even offer that, and its common knowledge that they are regarded as the most robust boards in existence.

A mainstream motherboard is pretty much what I think the OP wants. There is little point buying a ferrari to go shopping in, even if it is of "higher quality" and you'll find that your fiat punto is probably more reliable. Seeing as the OP had already failed at his last attempt to repair his PC, and wanted a PC that was fast for "general purposes" (I'm guessing day to day iTunes, Word etc) and didn't play games, or OC, I don't see the point in making him spend extra for things he doesn't need.

Win7 was purely an analogy of a new product on the market, and you seem to have failed to make the connection, nevermind.

And I was not changing the subject at all by making a price comparison. People live on a budget, and its entirely part of the subject if I choose to tell the OP that he can afford to get an even better processor if he does not invest in things he does not need at the whims of gaming PC builders. DDR3 may be overtaking DDR2 as you say, but the fact is it will be surpassed in 2 years and still has much lower chip yields than DDR2, making a large statement about its reliablity.

Ritwik makes a huge example of what I am saying by directing him to an SLi boeard even though he explicitly said he did not want his PC for gaming! I have built many PCs for non-gamers and the fact is, if you save $50 on not having SLi on your mobo, that can be the difference between an X3 and an X4, and unlike that unused slot (the OP should probrably use onboard anyway), that will actually benefit you.

@Rage

Thank you Rage_3K_Moiz for coming with some measurable and quantifiable points, I seem to have a hard time actually getting any good reasons from anyone else as to why they believe that AsRock is so inferior to ASUS and Gigabyte. For my old mobo I can completely see where you are coming from, as I can see its a 4 phase design, but even though my new board is 8 phase you may be correct in saying that there are little 16 phase AsRock solutions.

@OP

I think i have made my point, it seems there are many gamers around today who are convinced you want gaming parts. If you want something cost effective that will be fast and will last you a long while without needing to upgrade (remember that a gamers Idea of futureproof is that you will be able to put a newer faster part into it in 6 months, and I would hedge my bets you want your parts to last much longer than that), I would grab yourself and AsRock board, spend the rest on getting the fastest Phenom II processor you can, bag 8GB of RAM and slap it into your old case. you won't regret it.

In fact, I have so much trust in this company that I advise you to google Broken AsRock. The majority of the posts are not actually broken or are ancient Geforce 2 boards, and no-where near the quantity that you would get from broken Gigabyte, or even broken ASUS searches
 
Just for reference, I am running a Phenom II X4 945 on an K10N78FullHD-hSLI R3.0 board. My board is $40 cheaper than gagansood77's, has 2 more USB ports, but doesn't have a e-SATA port or a Firewire port although there are internal connectors for that if you want them. Other than that, they are pretty much the same.
 
Ritwik makes a huge example of what I am saying by directing him to an SLi boeard even though he explicitly said he did not want his PC for gaming! I have built many PCs for non-gamers and the fact is, if you save $50 on not having SLi on your mobo, that can be the difference between an X3 and an X4, and unlike that unused slot (the OP should probrably use onboard anyway), that will actually benefit you.

I specifically said that the board was recommended if the OP wanted to go for AM3. Whether he wants that particular board or not is the OP's personal choice. There are a large number of AM2+ boards which will support the X3720 just fine.

Again I mention, the AM3 along with DDR3 would provide a better upgrade path later. There's no point in picking a PC now which you would want to completely overhaul about one year down the line. As for ASRock or Gigabyte / ASUS, I personally would also recommend the latter.
 
I was not specifically referring to the copper PCB since that is a feature only found on the mid-range boards, where ASRock & Gigabyte have far more competition from companies like DFI; the quality of the PCB on the majority of Gigabyte mobos is much better than that on ASRock mobos, mainly because Gigabyte mobos usually have better soldering and heatsinks for the NB.

However, I agree that ASRock mobos are great for non-OC, sub-$50 budgets. I would pick them over PCChips, ECS & Jetway mobos any day!
 
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