Canada declares High Speed Internet essential for quality of life

[OcelotRex]

Cable and phone lines have been deployed to nearly every house in the states for some time now. It's not a matter of costs of infrastructure.

Phone lines perhaps (because of federal regulations and spending) but cable has not. Also I think you meant cost "or" infrastructure? I am not sure what that last statement means.

 

[OcelotRex]

So factually incorrect that you can't come up with a counter? Right. Argument via avoidance then.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/2014-gallup-international-poll-us-1-threat-world-peace.html

"Gallup International’s poll of 68 countries for 2014 found the US as the greatest threat to peace in the world, voted three times more dangerous to world peace than the next country."

Here's a fact for you. Let's see how you respond to that. Thus it's not my bias, when Gallup states it. It's just that in the US; you're not used to hearing such news about your own country. You'd rather believe the Russians or the Chinese are the biggest danger. Hilarious.

That is not a fact and neither is a poll. The poll's stated results are a fact (I.e. the repondents did answer in that manner) however the polls results themselves are not facts. You seem to lack a clear understanding of what is fact and what the linked Gallup poll does. Here's the methodology:

In each country a national probability sample of around 1000 men and women was interviewed either face to face (34 countries), via telephone (11 countries) or online (20 countries). Details are attached. The field work was conducted during September 2013 - December 2013. In general the error margin for surveys of this kind is +3-5% at 95% confidence level. The global average has been computed according to the share of the covered adult population of the surveyed countries.

A sampling of 1,000 people in 55 countries were asked questions and they're opinions you are presenting as fact. They can believe in whatever they like - it does not make it so. It's quite ironic you didn't read the findings since you missed this:

US - really the biggest threat?

The US was the overwhelming choice (24% of respondents) for the country that represents the greatest threat to peace in the world today. This was followed by Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). Respondents in Russia (54%), China (49%) and Bosnia (49%) were the most fearful of the US as a threat.

These results show that although the US is widely regarded as posing the greatest threat to peace, it is, paradoxically, still the most desired country to live in. This could show that for many of the people surveyed across the globe it appears that the notion of the ‘American Dream’ is still alive.

That's quite telling that you assert the US is not "THE BEST" and is "the GREATEST THREAT" to peace but yet is also the most desired country to live in, according to your source GALLUP.

The whole survey is interesting but I'm not offering it up as evidence - I'm only highlighting that you need a better understanding of what you're trying to present.

 

[Kunming]

That is not a fact and neither is a poll. The poll's stated results are a fact (I.e. the repondents did answer in that manner) however the polls results themselves are not facts. You seem to lack a clear understanding of what is fact and what the linked Gallup poll does. Here's the methodology:



A sampling of 1,000 people in 55 countries were asked questions and they're opinions you are presenting as fact. They can believe in whatever they like - it does not make it so. It's quite ironic you didn't read the findings since you missed this:

US - really the biggest threat?

The US was the overwhelming choice (24% of respondents) for the country that represents the greatest threat to peace in the world today. This was followed by Pakistan (8%), China (6%), North Korea, Israel and Iran (5%). Respondents in Russia (54%), China (49%) and Bosnia (49%) were the most fearful of the US as a threat.

These results show that although the US is widely regarded as posing the greatest threat to peace, it is, paradoxically, still the most desired country to live in. This could show that for many of the people surveyed across the globe it appears that the notion of the ‘American Dream’ is still alive.

That's quite telling that you assert the US is not "THE BEST" and is "the GREATEST THREAT" to peace but yet is also the most desired country to live in, according to your source GALLUP.

The whole survey is interesting but I'm not offering it up as evidence - I'm only highlighting that you need a better understanding of what you're trying to present.

Yay an answer, that's something I can work with.

I would've linked to the image of the poll findings, but it's such a hassle finding the image of the poll results, so I just link the quickest article that mentions it lol. But also, given what the US has been doing in the world, it's not hard to find historical evidence. Everything from the Iraqi invasion to CIA subversion of democratic movements in Latin america. So while you're right that an opinion doesn't just make a fact, it's a cool poll, mainly because americans themselves never consider it. At least the MSM don't! LOL. It's fun providing a counter-narrative to all the regular nonsense you hear: Russia is evil, China is evil, Saudi Arabia is evil, Iran is evil, blablabla. Rarely is it "the US is evil". I recommend you watch the documentary The Coming War On China - you might like it.

You can be the biggest threat to world peace, while being a desireable place to live. I don't think that's a paradox at all. Also, even if it's the most desired, that does not make it a good place either lol. Plenty places are way better, for a variety of reasons. As I've probably said already: universal free education/healthcare, massive pollution, lack of good public transport (often transport at all - thus relying on the car), constant shootings, threatening other countries, a broken political system and the list goes on. Including self-aggrandizement.

 

[seeprime]

This is a smart political move in many ways. One, fast Internet is good for business. Two, cynically, its a way to keep the populace entertained when more jobs go part time as automation explodes, and people have less money to spend. It's hard to revolt when you kept binging. I like it.

 

[Lionvibez]

God how I wish the implement ignore function in news mode... #TSHearOurCries

To tell you a bit about ISPs and their price, I'm paying almost double the price in Toronto (As you know, one of the most populated areas of Canada) than I used to pay in Chile for the same speed connection, I had to pay for my own modem, my router if I wanted wifi and of course, the technician to make the installation, which was close to $200 up front.

In Chile, bandwidth is good, latency is good, prices are cheap, you don't pay for modems (Some come with integrated wifi, which I don't like personally but hell, it's free), you don't pay for technicians, you don't have leaving fees and so on.

In Canada, they have a lot of catching up to do.

What ISP are you on ??

I'm using Rogers in Canada and the gateway modem/router is provided for free with the service!

You must be using a 3rd party service. And what installation cost? you plug the device in and go do the setup did you actually pay someone to do that?

 

[OcelotRex]

Yay an answer, that's something I can work with.

I would've linked to the image of the poll findings, but it's such a hassle finding the image of the poll results, so I just link the quickest article that mentions it lol. But also, given what the US has been doing in the world, it's not hard to find historical evidence. Everything from the Iraqi invasion to CIA subversion of democratic movements in Latin america. So while you're right that an opinion doesn't just make a fact, it's a cool poll, mainly because americans themselves never consider it. At least the MSM don't! LOL. It's fun providing a counter-narrative to all the regular nonsense you hear: Russia is evil, China is evil, Saudi Arabia is evil, Iran is evil, blablabla. Rarely is it "the US is evil". I recommend you watch the documentary The Coming War On China - you might like it.

You can be the biggest threat to world peace, while being a desireable place to live. I don't think that's a paradox at all. Also, even if it's the most desired, that does not make it a good place either lol. Plenty places are way better, for a variety of reasons. As I've probably said already: universal free education/healthcare, massive pollution, lack of good public transport (often transport at all - thus relying on the car), constant shootings, threatening other countries, a broken political system and the list goes on. Including self-aggrandizement.

I didn't state it was a paradox - the Gallup poll did.

Best is subjective - there's no way to quantify it nor any way to prove it. There are a vast many objective measurements that the US leads in outside of social services provided by a federal entity. For levity here's my favorite:

 

[Kunming]

You're right.Yet that sounds like a cheap excuse not to try.

But Switzerland and Iceland are still better, lol.

 

[Tekkaraiden]

So they're going to force ISP to pay for this, wonder how many independent ISPs will get 'bought out' by Bell and Rogers.

 

[Lionvibez]

Rogers main concern right now should be going full Docsis 3.1 or GPON in the very soon future.
Bell already offers it though only in certain areas. That competition for the Fiber market is more important they can let the smaller ISP's stick to Docsis systems.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I think you're confused - there are more inhospitable, rural places and more US citizens living in them. Thus everything you've described as a negative in CA is magnified in the USA. Furthermore the supposed pro's of the USA are amplified in CA for the same reasons - fewer locations, high density of subscribers.

I don't think you understood what I posted... My point was that it costs a certain amount of money to provide service to any given area... the cost is offset by the amount of people living in the area... so it's simply not economically viable to provide internet to an area that doesn't have very many people in it - because the money can only be recouped by subscriber fees.

The US is far more densely populated than Canada - so even the most inhospitable locations (like the Texas desert), can be economically viable because there are numerous subscribers in the area.

While the vast majority of Canada's citizens live close to the US border, it is the CRTC's goal to have broadband internet for EVERYONE... which means that ISPs (in Canada, there are really only a few - Rogers or Bell being the main ones) will be expected to spend money to provide the infrastructure in every little town - some of which are THOUSANDS of miles away from the border - and have limited access via road (think Greenland!).

The only way to recoup this money is either to A) charge something like $500,000 a year from each rural subscriber - not exactly fair or realistic... or B) increase everyone else's fees in order to pay for these few people's internet...

Option B has been what Canadians living in urban areas have been used to - a portion of our taxes always go to provide for those few people living in "crazy godforsaken locations"...

 

[mailpup]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general sentiments but I must point out that Greenland is a Danish territory and not part of Canada. Perhaps the Northwest Territories might be a better example.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your general sentiments but I must point out that Greenland is a Danish territory and not part of Canada. Perhaps the Northwest Territories might be a better example.

Hehehe - I know that... I used it as an example as most people know where Greenland is... And that it's desolate... I gave Canadian examples in my previous post and the previous poster clearly didn't understand...

 

[CriticalThinker]

But these *****s oppose what made such internet possible: Freedom.
They're making hate speech laws that include forcing people to use certain words.
And the current government loves socialism in general.