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Editorial: Has Windows Search Got Any Better Over The Years? Hint: It Hasn't

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  1. Darth Shiv TechSpot Maniac Posts: 687   +49

    Finding things 10x faster is one thing. The problem is the index can skip things and not display the results you are after. To me that is unacceptable and the reason I don't bother with indexed search.

    Also configuration of the content indexing... there is no automated smarts for this. It is manual config to set it one way or another and have you looked at the list of extensions windows has registered?? Who wants to spend hours or even days configuring the settings or validating the existing ones from some seemingly endless list??
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  2. Kyriacos Newcomer, in training

    Seems to be a nice article, but I won't bother reading it...
    Windows search has been amazingly improved, ever since windows Vista, then W7 and now it even works better, if you know what you are looking for...
  3. nickblame Newcomer, in training Posts: 39

    3 out of 4 times I want to search something in a Windows machine, I type the search, I wait 5 seconds, I get bored and I try to find the file while waiting for the "search" to "find" files. As it turns out I tend to put files where I will most probably find them if I search for them (I know me quite well :) and I always find the damned file after some careful browsing in my directories. Then I return to the "search results" which almost never have any non ridiculous findings and close the search so that the hard drives stop crunching.

    Locate32 is awesome. Thank god there is that solution for Windows too. Shame to MS for not doing it right after so many years.
  4. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    while my search for check operates as if I entered *check*.*
    and I do find checklist.doc, user_checks.xls, etc . . .
  5. PC EliTiST Newcomer, in training Posts: 25

    Wow! First time I see an image of Apple's search mechanism... It's so simple and all I could dream of... Why, oh, why are we in the dark for so many years? Damn gaming... Especially on Metro, couldn't they make it behave a little smarter? Why must I click on each category?
  6. Zeromus TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 223   +6

    They changed it where quoted terms have the same effect. Hope that helps.
     
  7. Jesse TechSpot Booster Posts: 275   +24

    As I mentioned, I am talking about searching of network shares. They are not indexed.
  8. JohnnyStone Newcomer, in training

    I never ever use Windows search. If you have Total Commander, why would one? It is not only Windows' search which is terrible, it's file manager or explorer cannot even be compared to the old DOS Norton Commander. If you have TC your file system becomes liberated. The same goes for Android with TC (use Beta 2.0).

    Why MS cannot learn from others in this area after so many years and billions of Dollars research, blows my mind.
  9. ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 787   +10

    You're right. I guess I skimmed the article too much. :)
  10. avoidz TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 313   +30

    I also miss Windows 2000. Remember you can always configure XP's "dog search" to look like the Windows 2K search box too, without any third-party tools.

    SearchMyFiles is another alternative search program to try (free).
  11. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    They are indexed if the server is Windows Server 2008 or later.
    This is great at my workplace when it works, which is sadly only 1/10 times.
    But the reason for that is not Windows fault, I think it is filesystem permissions on the server preventing indexing from being performed (It runs under the System account)
    It is possible to fix, I linked to this article previously, see the question: "Why aren't files from an indexed folder showing up in search results?"
    I have sent the same link to our IT dept ages ago, but I can only lead a horse to water, I can not force it to drink :D

    Do you know what you have changed to get this behavior?
    Because it is not the default, and I have used search on enough Windows 7 machines to know this ;)

    Yes, I do this myself on every XP machine I need to use for more than 5 minutes :)
    And on machines I use more regularly than that I disable the functionality that connects to Microsoft each time you enter the search window via a group policy in gpedit.msc
    Likewise I disable the "open with" file association web service which has the same functionality of looking at the web for your application to open files with, saves a useless dialog box each time I open it up...

    Yea I do things the same way, I can recall where I have all files on my PC without even booting it up, since I have everything nicely structured.
    Sadly I can't apply the same logic at work because there works 250 other people there :p
  12. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    Actually, NO :sigh:
    I did use the Advanced Options to select the directories to be search, eg a few \root-dirs, the \users and to not look at AppData.

    I was hoping that there was a [x] search file contents I could negate, but that's not there (in Win\7 at least).

    I also took the time to REBUILD after making these changes to prune uninteresting contents.

    ps: personally, I wish it were more literal in the requests, eg doc <> doc* <> *doc* <> *doc*.*
  13. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    This is possible, under Indexing Options > Advanced > File Types
    Select "Index Properties Only" for the documents that you don't want to index file contents for...
  14. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    Per file type??? OUCH :(
  15. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    UPDATE: Just verified your suggestion. a) it is global and not per file type and (get this) b) is already set.

    That makes Win/7 search really bizarre ; it ignores the option and indexes content anyway -- oops, I forgot, this is Windows.
  16. digge Newcomer, in training

    I might be a bit old school when it comes to searching. But whenever the windows search doesnt give me the results im expecting I go back to the good old cmd.exe.

    Doing a "dir file.txt /s" takes about 10 seconds on my ssd system drive (from the root of the drive). And best of all is it supports wildcards and is all built in :p
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  17. jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,225   +121

    But that's not windows - - - that's DOS and Windows does everything better [just kidding, actually quite brilliant buddy!]
  18. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    jobeard it might be that you need to rebuild your index in the advanced indexing options for the changes to take effect
    digge yes, this is actually how I do it on our NT4 / 2000 / XP based Siemens machines to find stuff, since they by default do not load explorer.exe so there is no windows user interface available when the HMI is loaded...
  19. Started using Fedora 17 x64. Don't have enough money to afford a x64 bit Windows OS. Fedora is free and works very well! Getting x64 bit is essential for being more productive.
  20. For basic searching I have found Win 7 search to be good however it does have it's quirks. I have had times where I search for file.doc and in Start it shows up but not in Explorer, even though I can see file.doc in the current folder. I've had some users that have to reindex fairly frequently to get accurate results. I do like the network integration with 2008 R2, that has come in handy. As for Windows 8 search, I don't like the fact that I have to start the search and then click on a Category such as Settings to find what I'm looking for, just display everything.