Elon Musk says Tesla workers will be sleeping on the factory floor when new $25,000 EV...

[8600M GT]

It's stuff like this that has made me anti-Tesla.

GM and Ford can make good EV options with unionized factories and decent working conditions. Hyundai/Kia might not be unionized, but they aren't having workers sleep on the floor. BMW and VW have increasingly interesting lineups each year. Why support Tesla when they treat their own workers so poorly?

Oh, and the touchscreen controls. That doesn't endear them to me either. But at this point even if they introduced knobs and dials tomorrow, I wouldn't be buying.

If Musk wants to personally sleep on factory floors, go ahead. But making that the expectation for other workers, even a fraction of them, is not right.

 

[bviktor]

This dude really is a liability to the company. Such idiocy.

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[maxxcool7421]

I used to sleep next to my computer, when you have a dream, it's nothing.
And you know they can leave if they want right?

Slaves only dream of slitting the owners throat

 

[scavengerspc]

Next year Musk will start to offer human sacrifices for the martian gods...

Musk believes he is the Martian God!

 

[Bobbydpue]

"Musk himself once said he slept under his desk and on factory floors while spending "three years straight" pretty much living at Tesla's facilities." He did this while making millions. I've been deployed where for most of the year all I did was work while I was awake, had no free time for myself, there was nowhere else to go and nothing else to do. My food was paid for, I didn't have to buy fuel for my car, and I was in a tax-free area, but I was closer to making $10k than making $100k.

I wouldn't be asking my employees to sleep at work unless I offered them so much money and such nice accommodations, they would regret turning it down feeling like it was an opportunity and not a punishment. I doubt it's like that at Tesla.

Anyone who's opened and grown a business works a lot of hours until it's fully established, but that person could make a lot of money from the business while the employees to not.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

It's called hard work and dedication, people. Good lord, it's not permanent. Every new project takes a lot of blood and sweat. Where the hell has the work hard culture gone.

No wonder I have such a good income. I do whatever it takes, and it gets VERY noticed. I love it.

Love to work hard, play hard, run and swim hard.

 

[Jerry in WA]

I'm about to buy a car and as I look at electric cars, I won't even consider Teslas for a number of reasons. Non union labor pool (sleep on the floor?), poor overall quality, no customer service, minimalist interior that isn't "luxury" and beta testing features. Being associated with the many tools who already drive them or the asinine CEO makes them unappealing as well.

Unionize.

 

[Thanthan]

Paid apprenticeship, zero debt, great benefits, pension. I don't know of a job where you get 3 paid months off every year. The main reason we can't get workers? Random drug tests and people want to smoke weed. If people can't give up drugs to make a decent wage amd have their education paid for then, frankly, they don't deserve it. I'm pro marijuana but I think even if it is legalized we should still test for it because it shows strength of character and motivation.

That comment misses the point. If they have options that they like better, that’s not a labour shortage, that’s your company not satisfying the demands of labour. Whether the option they like better is one that lets them smoke weed or one that pays better is kinda irrelevant. And as for the 3 paid months of leave a year, I believe it’s quite common in off shore and maritime industry? I’ve heard of even higher amounts… and the pay is really high too… and still… yea lots of people just don’t want to do that? Which is fine.

 

[yRaz]

That comment misses the point. If they have options that they like better, that’s not a labour shortage, that’s your company not satisfying the demands of labour. Whether the option they like better is one that lets them smoke weed or one that pays better is kinda irrelevant. And as for the 3 paid months of leave a year, I believe it’s quite common in off shore and maritime industry? I’ve heard of even higher amounts… and the pay is really high too… and still… yea lots of people just don’t want to do that? Which is fine.

This is the attitude I'm talking about. People would rather live in poverty than work a job that pays the bills. When I say the main reason that people don't even apply for the job is that they want to smoke pot it's not even by a small margin. Considering that the people issuing the contracts require the employees of the company to pass a drug screening there isn't even anything that the union or the companies we work for can do about that. And it's not that it is some arbitrary request, I have to sign NDAs and get security clearances before I even step onto many of these job sites.

In this order, these are the reasons people don't work in the trades
I don't want to quit smoking weed
I don't want to work that hard
I can't work outside, I need air conditioning

The worst part is that 6 years ago when the trade shortage started to get bad we made an exception for people with felonies. Previously, you used to not be hired if you were convicted of a violent crime, sex crime or a felony. The labor shortage has gotten so bad that we've started to hire sex offenders.


Also, I choose to work this way, there are tons of companies that work 7-3 Monday to Friday. Whenever you join a union you get assigned a business agent and you discuss with that BA what kind of work you'd like to do and they try to prioritize that. Most people want the easy stuff but I'm a nut case that likes to do the crazy jobs so I get my pick of whatever I want.

 

[PEnnn]

..... The main reason we can't get workers? Random drug tests and people want to smoke weed.

I think you and Lemon Musk just woke up and thought you were in China or some, what did Trump call it? ah yes, some "$hithole country"...where having employees live 24/7 at the factory is the norm!

As to your drug accusation: Yep, the whole country is stoned cold and nobody wants to work for Lemon Musk because of... weed!!

 

[PEnnn]

It's called hard work and dedication, people. Good lord, it's not permanent. Every new project takes a lot of blood and sweat. Where the hell has the work hard culture gone.

No wonder I have such a good income. I do whatever it takes, and it gets VERY noticed. I love it.

Love to work hard, play hard, run and swim hard.

Please don't get a rotator cuff injury....from patting yourself so hard on the back.

PS: "Work hard / play hard"? Hey, the 1990s called, they want their silly sentence back.

 

[PEnnn]

This Musk guy thinks he is in China or some forced-labor camp in Siberia!

How about hiring more workers, dumba$$, and let people have a life!!

Musk shot himself in the foot big time with Twitter and lost billions. And now Tesla is bleeding badly. But hey, his best friend the Orange Buffoon is happy with him, so all is good.

 

[scavengerspc]

It's called hard work and dedication, people. Good lord, it's not permanent. Every new project takes a lot of blood and sweat. Where the hell has the work hard culture gone.

No wonder I have such a good income. I do whatever it takes, and it gets VERY noticed. I love it.

Love to work hard, play hard, run and swim hard.

Just so long as it can all be taken care of in 32 hours!!

 

[yRaz]

I think you and Lemon Musk just woke up and thought you were in China or some, what did Trump call it? ah yes, some "$hithole country"...where having employees live 24/7 at the factory is the norm!

As to your drug accusation: Yep, the whole country is stoned cold and nobody wants to work for Lemon Musk because of... weed!!

So I often work as a recruiter on my time off, these are the excuses that I hear. Also, failing a drug test for marijuana use is the number 1 reason for getting kicked out of the union. I'm all for legalization, I'd rather have a bunch of pot smokers work for me than a bunch of alcoholics. But, surprisingly, most people in the union are completely sober. Working 200+ feet off the ground while hung over or stoned will get you or someone else killed.

I also want to repeat that there isn't anything the union or the companies can do about a marijuana exemption because many of the construction contracts we get mandate that we comply with federal drug laws. So even though medical marijuana is legal in most states the fact that it is illegal on a federal level is the problem.

 

[BabaYaga]

This Musk guy thinks he is in China or some forced-labor camp in Siberia!

How about hiring more workers, dumba$$, and let people have a life!!

Musk shot himself in the foot big time with Twitter and lost billions. And now Tesla is bleeding badly. But hey, his best friend the Orange Buffoon is happy with him, so all is good.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue

 

[BabaYaga]

I'm about to buy a car and as I look at electric cars, I won't even consider Teslas for a number of reasons. Non union labor pool (sleep on the floor?), poor overall quality, no customer service, minimalist interior that isn't "luxury" and beta testing features. Being associated with the many tools who already drive them or the asinine CEO makes them unappealing as well.

Unionize.

In one of my previous roles I worked with union electricians. That was the worst part of my job. You should watch some videos on the old GM Freemont plant. Here is a great podcast.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015

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Jeffrey Liker

One of the expressions was, you can buy anything you want in the GM plant in Fremont. If you want sex, if you want drugs, if you want alcohol, it's there. During breaks, during lunchtime, if you want to gamble illegally-- any illegal activity was available for the asking within that plant.
Frank Langfitt

Sounds like prison.
Jeffrey Liker

Actually, the analogy to prison is a good analogy, because the workers were stuck there because they could not find anything close to that level of job and pay and benefits at their level of education and skill. So they were trapped there.

And they also felt like we have a job for life, and the union will always protect us. So we're stuck here, and it's long term. And then all these illegal things crop up, so we can entertain ourselves while we're stuck here.
Rick Madrid

A lot of booze on the line. I mean, it was just amazing. And as long as you did your job, they really didn't care.
Frank Langfitt

What kind of booze? What were people drinking?
Rick Madrid

Whiskey, gin.

 

[BabaYaga]

I've owned many GM cars and driven every Audi there is (used to work with auto journalists). After getting a Tesla, the weight that's been lifted I can't even describe it. Knowing that I didn't have to haggle with a stealership and will never go to them for service is an incredible feeling. 90% less parts than ICE cars. The direct sales model and the amazing reliability of EVs, once you try it, you will never go back. And I used to be a gear hear. Modding and racing my Camaros. Audi's are very nice but I don't need a million buttons and every time you go to a dealer for anything, it starts at $500. It's probably $1k now. I'll just change the tires and sell the car before the 8y battery warranty. I would not trade it for an Audi that's twice the price. I'll eventually end up paying more in service.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

Only cars I would ever buy are a Toyota or Honda anyways. No Electric.

 

[yRaz]

Only cars I would ever buy are a Toyota or Honda anyways. No Electric.

So I'm actually a really big fan of plug in hybrids. My main issue with electric cars is that everyone wants them to look like "the future" amd it turns people off. I should not be able to tell the difference between an electric vehicle or an ICE vehicle if they're sitting next to each other.

If they want people to buy electric cars it should just look like a car

 

[TempleOrion]

But hey, his best friend the Orange Buffoon is happy with him, so all is good.

For the time being. Self-professed 'Alpha' (LOL) males tend to fall out eventually (see Putin and his erstwhile Wagner-loving cook)...

 

[RudyBob]

I just watched an interview with Musk conducted by Ben Shapiro. Everyone that hates these two have never watched them except via clips presented by the legacy media.

 

[Endymio]

It's stuff like this that has made me anti-Tesla.

GM and Ford [have] unionized factories and decent working conditions. Hyundai/Kia might not be unionized, but they aren't having workers sleep on the floor...

Mindless incomprehension, you mean? No factory workers are being "forced to sleep on the floor." Some engineers might choose to do so ... but any engineer who isn't zealously devoted to seeing the products they design roll out smoothly should instead be serving coffee to Karens. Tesla certainly isn't having difficult hiring the best engineers in the country -- people who wish to work hard on challenging projects, rather than dissolve into the faceless bland bureaucracy of a GM or Ford.

Why not admit the real reason certain people turned anti-Tesla? Musk strayed off the liberal ranch ... and the fascist Left brooks no dissent.

 

[AMN3S1AC]

Better a PS5 controller than a Xbox. Seems like subs also don't work well with Xbox controllers.

I think it is Logitech that is bad with subs.

 

[scavengerspc]

Only cars I would ever buy are a Toyota or Honda anyways. No Electric.

I mentioned this before you before brother, but I ask again.
Just try one. Maybe a rental.
That's what I did, except I just bought a 2018 Focus EV.
If you remember, while I was always in total support of EVs, I was once with you on EV ownership until I tried an employee's Tesla.
So I bought the Focus as a kind of experiment, and just fell in love with the damn thing.

 

[WhoCaresAnymore]

I mentioned this before you before brother, but I ask again.
Just try one. Maybe a rental.
That's what I did, except I just bought a 2018 Focus EV.
If you remember, while I was always in total support of EVs, I was once with you on EV ownership until I tried an employee's Tesla.
So I bought the Focus as a kind of experiment, and just fell in love with the damn thing.

*one covet, I do like the Prius. As strange is it may sound. You can run off of gas. Hybrids are acceptable to me, as long as it is a Toyota. They have Hybrid down to a science.

Hey, that's what is great about freedom of choice! I've driven a rental, but I get range anxiety. There are absolutely no charging stations anywhere on my normal driving routes. Second, the electrical grid cannot handle a hot summer, let alone adding hundreds of thousands of cars charging off of it.

There will be a day that it is feasible, and battery tech takes range and charging out of the question. Like everything, give it time.

I always enjoy reading other opinions. Nothing wrong with considering all points of view!