People choose not to understand this, my sister again as an example had to quit her job, this caused them to loose their house and destroyed their credit, it's now an eviction, and ontop of that they've been slowly selling off stuff to pay for food and bills at the **** hole they could afford since covid also got my brother in laws work hours cut. There is no excuse to not have schools open, the only danger is to the children not getting a good education and having a safe place to be during the day.
Entire school board resigns following parent-mocking Zoom broadcast
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People choose not to understand this, my sister again as an example had to quit her job, this caused them to loose their house and destroyed their credit, it's now an eviction, and ontop of that they've been slowly selling off stuff to pay for food and bills at the **** hole they could afford since covid also got my brother in laws work hours cut. There is no excuse to not have schools open, the only danger is to the children not getting a good education and having a safe place to be during the day.
cliffordcooley
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Someone needs to remind them that education is a law not babysitter duty.
wiyosaya
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I am sure that parents with an opinion similar to yours have the opportunity to home-school if they want to.
wiyosaya
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Because 1/2 million dead in the US alone is nothing to be afraid of.
wiyosaya
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Funny how your comments are the only ones that bring politics into the discussion.
I bet these kind of comments happen regardless of the political party in any district.
brucek
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Is there some kind of truth serum we could require all officials to take for all such meetings? Their views might have stunk, but the honesty is refreshing, and if we had the benefit of that honesty all the time we might actually get some of the right people into those positions...
Have you ever tried being a teacher? I assure you they don't "sit on their asses". Try it before speaking. There is so much marking and lesson planning that you don't see happening. The actual "teaching" is only 33% of the job. The other 66% is lesson planning and assessing.
btw the title is misleading, an "entire school board" would include the trustees, superintendents, principals, vice principals, office staff, janitors, AND teachers. I believe only the trustees resigned.
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Retnaburn
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Why are you promoting segregation?
Avro Arrow
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You know, growing up with a secondary school history teacher for a stepfather taught me more than just history. When it comes to their kids, parents are like a bunch of Bridezillas. They refuse to accept what monsters we all are as kids and give the teachers a pantload of undeserved grief and annoyance. It doesn't surprise me one bit that this was the topic of conversation because that's ALWAYS the topic of conversation.
These teachers have got it right about COVID because having schools open would be perhaps the most dangerous thing that could be done. Kids feel invincible and won't be so ready to socially distance themselves or wear masks if and when they can get away with it. Schools would become breeding grounds for Sars-CoV-2 and the infection rate would skyrocket, along with the inevitable body count that goes along with it.
Imagine that you're a university-educated teacher, especially a science teacher. Now you have some parent who paid no attention whatsoever in science and health class when they were in school and now works in a factory operating some machine that stamps out metal shapes. They know sweet-FA about pandemics and the spread of disease but they think that they know what's best for THEIR children. Meanwhile, government cuts to education keep reducing your salary to the point that you'd be no worse off working at Wendy's.
I'm honestly surprised that ANYONE wants to be a teacher in the USA anymore with the way things are. There's not a chance in hell that I'd want to be. If they all resigned at once, I'm willing to bet it was one big "TO HELL WITH THIS JOB!" in unison and I don't blame them one bit. I probably would have done the exact same thing.
These teachers have got it right about COVID because having schools open would be perhaps the most dangerous thing that could be done. Kids feel invincible and won't be so ready to socially distance themselves or wear masks if and when they can get away with it. Schools would become breeding grounds for Sars-CoV-2 and the infection rate would skyrocket, along with the inevitable body count that goes along with it.
Imagine that you're a university-educated teacher, especially a science teacher. Now you have some parent who paid no attention whatsoever in science and health class when they were in school and now works in a factory operating some machine that stamps out metal shapes. They know sweet-FA about pandemics and the spread of disease but they think that they know what's best for THEIR children. Meanwhile, government cuts to education keep reducing your salary to the point that you'd be no worse off working at Wendy's.
I'm honestly surprised that ANYONE wants to be a teacher in the USA anymore with the way things are. There's not a chance in hell that I'd want to be. If they all resigned at once, I'm willing to bet it was one big "TO HELL WITH THIS JOB!" in unison and I don't blame them one bit. I probably would have done the exact same thing.
cliffordcooley
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Teachers in my neighborhood have a curriculum. Lesson planning is already laid out for them. While I do somewhat agree with what you are saying. It still goes outside the context of what they are saying.
terzaerian
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And still conveniently pay for our failed public school system of course
Avro Arrow
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Leftist propaganda? Do you even know what "left" is? If you're an American, there is no "left" party, despite what your media constantly tries to tell you. You have centre-right (Democrats) and FAR-right (Republicans). To give you an idea, the Democrats are more right-wing than Canada's Conservative Party, the most right-wing major party in Canada. What you call "Leftist Propaganda" is what every other NATO country (plus Australia and New Zealand) calls "true facts".
Here's a true fact for you (or as you like to call it, "leftist propaganda"), teachers in the USA get paid so little that some qualify for food stamps. With low pay like that, they may as well be babysitters. Right-wingers always forget to look at the effects of paying little to no taxes like underpaid teachers and an entire state left vulnerable to a winter storm, something that other states (and countries for that matter) consider to be a trivial thing. Just so you don't think that I'm spouting "left-wing propaganda", feel free to check out any of these articles from major news outlets both inside and outside of the USA. Since you're not aware of the fact that teachers aren't paid nearly enough (which really came to light when that fool Trump wanted to arm the teachers), maybe you can argue with these media outlets:
Business Insider (USA):
10 alarming facts about teacher pay in the United States
10 alarming facts about teacher pay in the United States
While teaching our youngest generation is a huge responsibility, it comes with an unexpectedly low monetary return in the US.
www.businessinsider.com
The Guardian (UK):
'We shouldn't be on food stamps': teachers on how to fix America's education system
'We shouldn't be on food stamps': teachers on how to fix America's education system
A manifesto for change: as guest editors of Guardian US, here’s what America’s teachers need to help the next generation thrive
www.theguardian.com
CNBC (USA):
2020 has shone a light on the importance of good teachers, but many are paid less than a living wage in the U.S.
2020 has shone a light on the importance of good teachers, but many are paid less than a living wage in the U.S.
A good teacher may be a key factor in student achievement, but in many parts of the country teachers live below a family living wage.
www.cnbc.com
The Insider (USA):
A Maine teacher's salary was so low she couldn't afford formula for her newborn baby — and she was forced to apply for government assistance
A Maine teacher's salary was so low she couldn't afford formula for her newborn baby — and she was forced to apply for government assistance
Allison Lytton was in her fifth year of teaching and a single mother of a newborn and two-year-old when she applied for WIC.
www.insider.com
Time Magazine (USA):
'I Work 3 Jobs And Donate Blood Plasma to Pay the Bills.' This Is What It’s Like to Be a Teacher in America
'I Work 3 Jobs And Donate Blood Plasma to Pay the Bills.' This Is What It’s Like to Be a Teacher in America
Millions are fighting in a wage crisis centuries in the making
time.com
Washington Post (USA):
Think teachers aren’t paid enough? It’s worse than you think.
The Conversation (Australia):
Are America’s teachers really underpaid?
Are America’s teachers really underpaid?
A presidential candidate wants to use federal funds to boost teacher pay. Is the proposal justified or is it just pandering to teacher unions to get votes? An education scholar provides perspective.
theconversation.com
Payscale.com (USA):
For the Love of the Job: Does Society Pay Teachers What They Are Worth?
Why Doesn’t Society Pay Teachers What They Are Worth?
We all know that teachers make the world a better place. Why are they paid so little? This article explores why so many teachers leave the profession they love.
www.payscale.com
Attitudes like yours are why the US public education system is so behind other developed countries. It's also a major reason why the US is falling apart at the seams. By all means, keep disparaging teachers because as the average level of education in the USA falls, so does the country. All of your right-wing "I don't wanna pay no taxes!" diatribes won't make a lick of difference when it's already too late, just like they didn't make a lick of difference when it was already too late in Texas. Don't worry though, your right-wing leaders will always be ready to take off to Cancun when the going gets rough.
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terzaerian
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Avro Arrow
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Why the hell would a teacher be "working to get kids back in school" during a WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC? Are you out of your mind or something? If a teacher were trying to get kids back into school right now, that teacher's completely insane!
Try to remember that some teachers teach science and some teach health. These same teachers are collegues of the entire staff and clearly understand biology and the behaviour of viral pandemics far better than you do. These are TEACHERS, which means that they're qualified to TEACH. That means they know a crapload more about things that you do because otherwise, it would be you teaching instead of them.
Avro Arrow
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I don't see that at all. What I see is a person with a brain saying that if some people are stupid enough to think that things like science, history, health, earth sciences (geography and geology), music, art and language is "Liberal Propaganda", then they're always welcome to try to do better themselves.
Home-schooled kids ALWAYS turn out great, don't they?
Danny101
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Yes Avro Arrow. This happens because of attitudes like ours.
terzaerian
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I don't see that at all. What I see is a person with a brain saying that if some people are stupid enough to think that things like science, history, health, earth sciences (geography and geology), music, art and language is "Liberal Propaganda", then they're always welcome to try to do better themselves.
Home-schooled kids ALWAYS turn out great, don't they?
Avro Arrow
Posts: 3,721 +4,821
I see nothing there about teacher's pay. In fact, this only proves that the low pay that teachers get in the USA ensures that you're going to end up with a bunch of clowns instead of professionals. Isn't it interesting that back when teachers were paid properly, things like this almost never happened? How seriously are you going to take a job that requires a degree and pays you so little that you qualify for food stamps? Probably not very.
I'm guessing that you didn't really read all of my post because I was talking about teachers being underpaid and how that was destroying American society. Your counterpoint only showed a symptom of the disease that I was railing against.
terzaerian
Posts: 1,517 +2,260
It's not to say teachers aren't needed or that they shouldn't be appropriately compensated. But the public school system, as it is, is demonstrably a failed system and dumping more money into it isn't going to fix it. It needs a complete rework from the ground up, one that includes and embraces private alternatives that have demonstrated their value.
Avro Arrow
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Great find! See, this isn't what a map of "the richest country in the world" should look like when it comes to literacy. It should be blue from coast to coast and the fact that it isn't shows the disease that I can see eating away at American society. You never get good people at any job if you're not wiling to pay well and this is a great example of the outcome of not paying teachers well. It's clearly not just the teachers who suffer because the kids are suffering as well, as this map clearly shows.
Don't misunderstand me, I WANT the kids to do well and I WANT the kids to be safe (as well as the rest of us). Underpaying teachers and then overworking them with big class sizes doesn't translate into kids doing well. Unfortunately, the "taxes are evil" culture that is present in several parts of the USA often results in exactly this. The real tragic thing is that it doesn't have to be this way because all the USA would have to do is direct a chunk of its defence spending towards education and the problem would go away overnight. After all, there is no department of the US government that is even close to being as wasteful as the DoD. I've read stories of the Pentagon "misplacing" more money than the entire yearly education budget for the whole country. Now THAT is crazy!
Danny101
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I don't know. Maybe this might have something to do with it. Surely, we can calibrate pay based on actual contribution to society. Note how many politicians are lawyers. Where is all of this money going, and it isn't just one party involved either?
Comparison of state legislative salaries
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
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Here's Every Politician's Salary From the State House to White House
Learn about politicians' salaries at the local, state and federal levels. Find out how much elected officials earn, from highest to lowest paid.
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Avro Arrow
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It's a failed system because it's been de-funded over and over and over again. You don't see these problems in other NATO countries and I can guarantee you that our schools are overwhelmingly public. The other issue is HOW the schools are funded.
From what I understand, in the USA, a school is only funded by the school taxes collected in its immediate area which means that if it's a poor area, the school doesn't get enough money to properly operate. I've seen inner-city schools that are literally falling apart, structurally, because the school can't even afford proper maintenance to the building itself.
I can tell you that in Canada, schools are given $X per student regardless of where the school is located to ensure that every school has a budget with which it can properly operate. Teachers aren't overloaded with huge classes and the schools themselves remain in very good repair. Here's a primary school in Ontario that's almost 50 years old (note the lack of central air) but still looks brand-new (tripod blocks previews):
And here's a secondary school that's 62 years old that just had a very expensive renovation done (slide show):
Streetsville Secondary School - Etude Architects
etudearchitect.com
BTW, I personally attended both of these schools so I know them very well and have no issue using them as examples. I'm in my 40s so you KNOW that these schools are OLD! Jeez, I went to Parkway Public School 32 years ago but still remember it like it was yesterday. It doesn't look a day older than it did when I was there.
bandit8623
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How so? 99.97 % are surviving even without the vaccine.
defaultluser
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No. These guidelines are u-to-date as of this month
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/operation-strategy.html
And when the **** did you last see kindergartner who would actually stay where you told them to? You don't get that kind of expected societal restricted behavior until you're a pre-teen If you want to do anything below high-school, you're going to need four classrooms attached to each other to have any possibility of having enough space to enforce podding and teach a sing class! That is simply impossible!
High school students are currently about 3 feet away frm each other (in more packed districts), so you would still have to double the floor-space of every classroom to meet CDC guidelines. (o split classes in two, but that would require twice as many teachers.) The added overhead of doubling your school's floor space is just uncanny how expensive it will be!
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PEnnn
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Do enlighten us about the "ideology" you find offensive.
When people like you start having fits about "Leftist ideology being forced on the kids", they usually mean science, math, biology and other studies that's in conflict with their religious beliefs.
Guess what, you can keep your kids at home so they're eventually as ignorant as can be to the world around them.
Or they can go to a religious school run by one of the many American fundamentalists and work for a minimum wage when they graduate.
Win win situation!!
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