Uhhh... joebeard:

Now i'm confused as to what you say as that port data was copy/pasted from Microsoft

1) If what you say is true (and what i posted is untrue) you best take it up with Microsoft first (but please explain to me also). I copy/pasted Vista firewall port data from an article published Nov 2006 and just updated May 14, 2007. (i found it when looking to find the firewall port deltas needed for Vista) File and Printer Sharing in Windows Vista

2) And also confused cause if none was ever true.. when i put a sniffer on my (or other) LANs i'm always finding SSDP broadcasts using port1900. And other port consistent usage too

use that link, scroll to Figure 11; Notice that several items have enable/disable radio buttons:

Network discovery
File Sharing
Public folder sharing
Printer sharing

You can have Print/File Sharing w/o Discovery
The Sharing and Discovery section of the Network and Sharing Center window are still used,
but disabling SSDP and the LLTP services will reduce complexity and tcp traffic w/o inhibiting print/file sharing.

Of course, you have the SSDP service running, which is not necessary an neither is UPnP.
UPnP & SSDP have be security issues for a LONG Time, so these ports frequently
get DENIED
http://www.grc.com/port_1900.htm
http://www.grc.com/port_5000.htm

ahhh...

maybe a misunderstanding then....

my post indicated the firewalls ports used by Vista (and just as described by MS Vista in the article published describes Vista's ports and their usage)

Now whether or not someone WANTS to use all those services that actually USE all those OPEN ports is another issue (and not what i was trying to convey).

I think that's where our ports (you <---> me ) got crossed. As, was just trying to conevey the ports and usage of the Vista ports. (so readers wouldn't have to go hunting for the full list like i did)

If one wants 'everything microsoft places on your system', then I guess you're correct
and someone will find that useful.

I've always been a minimalist; run as little as possible.

The SSDP and UPnP were not necessary in XP and are not necessary in Vista either.
The Vista LLTP is bloatware (imo) and only adds a pretty picture of your Lan systems,
but also requires LLTP to be installed on all the XP systems -- intrusive in my book

Like SOOOOO much with PCs, caveat emptor.

oh. i agree. but my point was to clarify i wasn;t sugestting they use any one or all services/ports vs. supplying data on Vista port usage and services to the reader.

Anyway, glad to know we're in violent agreement! :wave: