Final Fantasy 16 producer dislikes the term JRPG, considers it "discriminatory"

I've honestly never read or heard the term before but I'm pretty sure that if I did I'd probably react negatively to it. It's like he says, who cares where an RPG is based? Lots of RPGs are based in Europe but I've never read or heard the term "ERPG".

I have no problem with retiring the term because it's a term that never should've been coined in the first place.
Then you live under a rock. It has been used for a couple of decades and used on all media platforms that talk about games. That said, the reason for it's origination is that they have a very specific style, tone, artwork, theme, and mechanics. They are distinctly different from the entire rest of the world and almost exclusively developed IN Japan. It is a specific genre.
 
Good. Someone sticking to a target time period and being unapologetic about the reality of it.


All the people you upticked this - know nothing about medieval europe - to think that Europe then was just Saxons, Aryans, Celtic , Slavic is gross ignorance . I have no idea of the world of FF - and if set in say Scandinavian then probably yes .

What about Greco, Roman times even earlier were there no Black people, Arabic , Saracens . Moors in Europe then

Stop your victim mentality - and try and not believe ignorant comments solely as it fits your agenda
It's common knowledge there were black people in Europe - you could eat bananas in the 15th century - did they magically appear ?
 
I'd say it's borderline racist. Do we say USARPG? or UKRPG? no? Why should we have JRPG then?

It's an RPG. why does its creation location make a difference?
Not specifically, but they are typically referred to collectively as Western RPGs.
 
All the people you upticked this - know nothing about medieval europe - to think that Europe then was just Saxons, Aryans, Celtic , Slavic is gross ignorance . I have no idea of the world of FF - and if set in say Scandinavian then probably yes .

What about Greco, Roman times even earlier were there no Black people, Arabic , Saracens . Moors in Europe then

Stop your victim mentality - and try and not believe ignorant comments solely as it fits your agenda
It's common knowledge there were black people in Europe - you could eat bananas in the 15th century - did they magically appear ?
Where did anyone say that there should be absolutely no diversity? Back when travelling the world was rare and racism was a common thing (where people weren't accepted in communities usually based on how they looked), how much diversity do you honestly believe existed in general? Y'know, besides in the poor/slave ("invisible") parts of cities?

Tell me you know nothing about what you're talking about without actually telling me you know nothing about what you're talking about. Just because the truth is inconvenient doesn't mean you need to manufacture outrage about it 😂
 
I've honestly never read or heard the term before but I'm pretty sure that if I did I'd probably react negatively to it. It's like he says, who cares where an RPG is based? Lots of RPGs are based in Europe but I've never read or heard the term "ERPG".

I have no problem with retiring the term because it's a term that never should've been coined in the first place.
I agree, retire all sub-genres that give more specifics for the genre! It's not "American Football" it's just "Football".

/s
 
Good. Someone sticking to a target time period and being unapologetic about the reality of it.

And not understanding it. If the game has anything like a cosmopolitan area there’s nothing weird in finding a good amount of North African, Turkic and Arabic people there ;) stereotypic ‘medieval’ Europe was never something that existed in the first place. 19th century poets invented it.
 
And not understanding it. If the game has anything like a cosmopolitan area there’s nothing weird in finding a good amount of North African, Turkic and Arabic people there ;) stereotypic ‘medieval’ Europe was never something that existed in the first place. 19th century poets invented it.
Sure, but cosmopolitan is an exception that has no bearing on the general question. What diversity across Europe would you expect (especially as you head more north)? 1:20? 1:50? Nobody's saying there wasn't any diversity. Seems like you are the one not understanding it.

And then the people whining "not enough diversity" seem to be expecting every-other character to be non-white in a medieval Europe setting...
 
I am generally going to side with people who feel maligned but I'm not feeling it here. I've never thought of JRPG as derogatory, just a separate descriptor of RPG games that mostly come from Japan. Something to be proud of, if anything. If I'm the jerk, I can accept that, but I think this person is just wrong.
 
Where did anyone say that there should be absolutely no diversity? Back when travelling the world was rare and racism was a common thing (where people weren't accepted in communities usually based on how they looked), how much diversity do you honestly believe existed in general? Y'know, besides in the poor/slave ("invisible") parts of cities?

Tell me you know nothing about what you're talking about without actually telling me you know nothing about what you're talking about. Just because the truth is inconvenient doesn't mean you need to manufacture outrage about it 😂

I don't care about FF - or if it has black people in it - I don't feel every game needs diversity or to be an exact representation - my beef is people believing there were no black people in medieval europe - and taking such comments at face value to support their agenda.
Yeah there weren't a lot - but if extended to Moors , Saracens, North African , Turkish etc then there was quite a bit .

I just saying engage your brain - would have been perfectly more correct for the FF guy to say Sub-Saharan African people were rare in medieval europe - but for someone basing their game in such a context and defending it on such a basis - then that speaks poorly of their research.

Yeah I'm not a fan of tokenism per say - but mediums should give some thought to diversity of characters - most of us now want more fleshed out tropes - me big impulsive barbarian .

I like World cinema - that's where I get my diversity - aggrieved groups can normally get funding and make their own stuff

For me less is more - USA TV/movies have pushed agendas for a long time - Reds bad - take it or leave it . Eg Spike Lee - kind of liked "Do the right Thing" - but some other of his stuff is too pushy for me - Early M*A*S*H good , later horrendous
 
With the way Japanese people treat outsiders I think it's more than fair and they shouldn't be so sensitive when they don't think tourist and non-Japanese people should take offense to the way they are treated all over Japan.

I agree, people should be aware of their attitude to say South Koreans for example, it's a disgrace.
 
I agree, people should be aware of their attitude to say South Koreans for example, it's a disgrace.
Japanese mono-culture , nationalism , you can never really be Japanese no matter how long you live there , not able as tourist to visit certain baths ( onsen ) etc is well known - but it will change over time - eventually they will stop bashing dolphins/whales etc - that should not stop some Japanese person raising an aggrievance - seems a weird of as stated - as seems a neutral term - plus Japanese studios do make western style rpgs

as an aside - I was thinking why is K pop better than J pop ?- Japanese can do good ambient music , or mood music in anime etc

Yeah Japanese brutality in Korea , China , SE Asia was bad - but Korea , and China has some very nationalistic views - I'm hopeful - just takes time - kids are the future etc
 
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I don't care about FF - or if it has black people in it - I don't feel every game needs diversity or to be an exact representation - my beef is people believing there were no black people in medieval europe - and taking such comments at face value to support their agenda.
Yeah there weren't a lot - but if extended to Moors , Saracens, North African , Turkish etc then there was quite a bit .

I just saying engage your brain - would have been perfectly more correct for the FF guy to say Sub-Saharan African people were rare in medieval europe - but for someone basing their game in such a context and defending it on such a basis - then that speaks poorly of their research.

Yeah I'm not a fan of tokenism per say - but mediums should give some thought to diversity of characters - most of us now want more fleshed out tropes - me big impulsive barbarian .

I like World cinema - that's where I get my diversity - aggrieved groups can normally get funding and make their own stuff

For me less is more - USA TV/movies have pushed agendas for a long time - Reds bad - take it or leave it . Eg Spike Lee - kind of liked "Do the right Thing" - but some other of his stuff is too pushy for me - Early M*A*S*H good , later horrendous
TBH, it didn't matter what he said, or how correct he was in saying it, it was never going to be good enough to people who want their perceived diversity quota's met. My initial point is that I'm glad he isn't trying to please those types of insufferable people. And then my next point was that no one said (or was pretending) there wasn't any diversity.

Anyways, people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. And I'm glad the producer isn't really playing along.
 
What a fool. I understand young people are soft these days but this is not some guy in his 20s. it's a middle-aged man working for Square Enix, probably the most well known companies to be making JRPG.

he doesn't like the term JRPG because obviously nobody in japan would describe their own game as JRPG. it's like an italian saying to other people, stop saying italian coffee, it's just coffee.

I'm glad the FF games I enjoyed (8,9,12) are not produced by this *****.
 
I'd say it's borderline racist. Do we say USARPG? or UKRPG? no? Why should we have JRPG then?

It's an RPG. why does its creation location make a difference?
Guess we'll have to ban the usage of all the ?-POP styles as well. J-POP, K-POP etc. Perhaps instead of being offended over nothing we just consider it the origin of the style and adapt its usage that way? As we already are... because it makes sense. If something is like K-POP but not from Korea it will be called "K-POP like".
As long as there is no overwhelming negative connotation meaning to it (it exclusively gets used as derogatory term) why complicate things by trying to rename them.
 
I'd say it's borderline racist. Do we say USARPG? or UKRPG? no? Why should we have JRPG then?

It's an RPG. why does its creation location make a difference?
because the style originated from that place?

would you saying its racist to get korean or japanese food at takeout? exactly
 
I'd say it's borderline racist. Do we say USARPG? or UKRPG? no? Why should we have JRPG then?

It's an RPG. why does its creation location make a difference?
Yes we do. They are refereed to as "western RPGs" to differentiate between the two. We just don't use it all the time because most of us are in the west. They have two very different styles in a lot of ways. I can point out a JRPG within seconds of watching some gameplay.
Is being Japanese a insult? No, so why would this be an insult. Makes absolutely no sense.
But once again we focus on making everything offensive. This attitude is so damaging and divisive to society. Why do we focus so much on feelings vs logic....I just don't understand.
 
because the style originated from that place?

would you saying its racist to get korean or japanese food at takeout? exactly
lol...yeah for now on we will just call everything on every menu "food". We will have to use pictures I guess. People have gotten way too wrapped up in this crazy view.
 
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lol...yeah for now on we will just call everything on every menu "food". We will have to use pictures I guess. People have gotten way too wrapped up in this crazy view.
hey what do you want
food
no I mean what food
just plain old food
I see
 
I'd keep the term around, when you look at an RPG you can quickly tell if it's a normal RPG or a JRPG. JRPGS stand out real quick and don't follow the standard flow of normal RPGS. The visuals, art style, and story are usually very different than your normal RPG.
 
Japanese RPG feel different than West RPG..... Calling it JRPG make easier for people to know which type of RPG

 
All the people you upticked this - know nothing about medieval europe - to think that Europe then was just Saxons, Aryans, Celtic , Slavic is gross ignorance . I have no idea of the world of FF - and if set in say Scandinavian then probably yes .

What about Greco, Roman times even earlier were there no Black people, Arabic , Saracens . Moors in Europe then

Stop your victim mentality - and try and not believe ignorant comments solely as it fits your agenda
It's common knowledge there were black people in Europe - you could eat bananas in the 15th century - did they magically appear ?

Mate, you can't go around chastising people for not knowing history and then make a load of it up.
 
A Japanese developer claimed discrimination over the way the game is being generalized (something that is just meaningless and nobody is hurt over)... Meanwhile, in Jepan it's not uncommon to see bars with "Japanese only" ... :D

I mean it's ironic as hell.
 
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