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Good to have you back on board Capn.

Not much fire left to be stoked after all the dialogue.

Re your statements:

That really says it all. And that's my main message. And that's why we don't owe them any debt of gratitude.

It's not really a case of: "If they don't nag me I'll buy it". It's more a case of: "I'll probably buy the one I'm used to and trust and know how to use, (people are creatures of habit), rather than the one I stopped using because it nagged the hell outa me". It's not the rights and wrongs of it, but rather the cause and effect from a pragmatic marketing point of view.

Absolutely love em, and eternally grateful to the provider. These are honestly entitled to be called "Freeware".... as opposed to Trialware, Free Download, (what a crock o' s**t!), Adware etc.

PCWorld Magazine did an article about how much crapware, bloatware, vaporware, and trialware shipped with a new PC. If I ever run across it I'll give you the title maybe you can still find it on their site. They had some choice words for some manufacturers.

The premise here is that because the makers accepted trial software which companies paid to install, then they could sell you a PC much cheaper. That doesn't hold water anymore since I don't get crapware when I buy the components to build a computer. Well, I do, but I surely don't install it. (Norton tags on trialware with many mobos). You put it in, that's on you.

Still in my bought machine, I have software that's handy that never nags me. Of all things, M$ Works. As I said earlier, my software needs are quite conservative, but having a copy of "Word" sure is handy, at least once in a blue moon. Works is worth 30 bucks or so, mine was free, and doesn't nag.

Macafee installed their "security center", and oh, man oh man, was that a different story. This junk nagged you, and had no active components whatsoever, but there was a 30 day trial of anti Spyware. This s*** actually did break your machine, in that it ingratiated itself into the registry, and interposed itself between other security apps and the registry. When you tried to get it out, you broke the other attached programs. Well, Macafee isn't really known for giving stuff away anyhoo. But then there is "Site Advisor" which is kinda neat, and doesn't nag unless you ask it a hard question. See, even they're not ALL bad.

But I think nags screen are a part of a larger issue, and that's the ever expanding plethora of advertising on the net in general. I pay extra for Yahoo software with my broadband, (only a couple of bucks), but now I am getting blasted with all sorts of ads on my Email page.

So, I do understand where you're coming from, but the best I can offer is to say, "buck up trooper, I truly sympathize, but I'm afraid it's only going to get worse from here".

Or possibly, watch more network TV, at least there you can dash to the fridge for a beer while the commercials are on.

Really stupid s*** comes from everywhere nowadays. For instance, the "experts" have been explaining that 70% of out economy is driven by consumer spending. I always thought that when you spent too much, you went broke. So now, I think that they're trying to tell me that that's no longer true when you're really broke, then you have to spend more to make yourself wealthy again.

And what drives consumer spending, say it with me now, ADVERTISING...... YaY!

And know what, I hope that breaks your head, because it broke mine, and we all know misery loves company Call it "shareware"! :wave: :haha:

Hello again

Aye aye cap'n.

I think we're in the wrong forum. Probably should be in a chat room. Enjoy your points of view now that I've got a handle on where you're coming from.

Generally speaking I agree with most of your sentiments on the many themes you've touched on. Too many to really respond to in this forum. When we do disagree it's usually more a case of semantics or talking at crossed purposes rather than just plain disagreeing.

I have a set top box with hard-drive that records TV, and I only watch the shows I've recorded so I can fast forward thro the ads. Maybe I can dash out to the john?

My head got busted long ago when I started reading tech forum posts. LOL! Dunno if you've ever read Tolle's book "Power of Now", but if you have you'll understand the statement one of my friends made: "I've lost my mind... and I'm glad! What a switch off! My mind is a dangerous neighborhood."

Good call, you got a genuine :haha: laugh outa me!

Well that takes care of another morning out of my life!

captiancranky has a seemingly unlimited pool of wits, their swimming in from all over the place!

witticisms

Have to applaud your call kitty. :haha:

Here's an oldies' joke to finish off with:

As a senior citizen was driving down the freeway, his car phone rang. Answering, he heard his wife's voice urgently warning him, "Herman, I just heard on the news that there's a car going the wrong way on 280 Interstate. Please be careful!"

"It's not just one car," said Herman. "It's hundreds of them!"

And to the capn re this oxymoron:

Try these paradoxes on for size:

I am a Nobody.
Nobody is Perfect.
Therefore I am Perfect.

The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.

Better stop now, I'm off topic and risk the red warning light.