Gabe Newell says that 50% of Bitcoin transactions were fraudulent when Steam accepted...

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In brief: Remember when Steam accepted Bitcoin as payment? You’ll be forgiven if it slipped your mind: it was only part of the platform from April 2016 until December 2017, when it was removed for what Valve called “high fees.” Now, boss Gabe Newell has shed more light on why the company got rid of crypto, as well as NFT- and blockchain-based games.

In an interview with PC Gamer, Newell made it clear he wasn’t the biggest fan of integrating cryptocurrency into Steam. "The problem is that a lot of the actors who are in that space are not people you want interacting with your customers," Newell said. "We had problems when we started accepting cryptocurrencies as a payment option. 50% of those transactions were fraudulent, which is a mind-boggling number. These were customers we didn't want to have."

Another issue Newell has with using digital currencies, one that has long been cited as their biggest drawback, is the fluctuating value, which he described as a “complete nightmare” for Valve.

When Steam first started accepting Bitcoin payments, the plan was for users to be charged local currency prices based on their region, then the payment processor would convert that amount into Bitcoin based on a daily exchange rate. Valve said this meant the purchase price of the product would not change.

But the constantly changing value was one of several reasons why Valve dropped Bitcoin support. Another problem were the transaction fees, some of which had reached around $20 at the time it suspended the BTC option back in December 2017.

Elsewhere, Newell hit the nail on the head with his opinion on the influx of NFT and blockchain games, something Steam banned last year. "There's a lot of really interesting technology in blockchains and figuring out how to do a distributed ledger, [but] I think that people haven't figured out why you actually need a distributed ledger," he said.

"There's a difference between what it should be and what it really is currently in the real world. And that's sort of where we were at with the blockchain-based NFT stuff: so much of it was ripping customers off. And we were like, 'Yeah, that's not what we want to do, we don't want to enable screwing large numbers of our customers over,' so that's what drove that decision. There's nothing inherently about distributed ledgers that makes them problematic. It's just so far that's almost always what our experience has been."

Valve might not be big fans, but more companies are pushing for cryptocurrencies, blockchain networks, and non-fungible tokens to be added to games. Crypto exchange FTX is trying to facilitate this with its new FTX Gaming unit, a “crypto-as-a-service” platform that game companies can use to launch tokens and support NFTs in titles.

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The crypto market is rife with scams and fraud. Everywhere you look, nearly every project is full of the stuff. Things like NFTs and DAOs are scams built to justify crypto's high price and keep fresh cash flowing in long enough for the early holders to make out like bandits.

Also, fun fact, etherium transactions can take upwards of 6 hours to process with gas fees topping $10K. Utterly unsuitable for a currency meant for anything other then large purchases of illicit substances.

We need that 46% crypto tax, and we need it yesterday.
 
One of the biggest problems with bitcoin and the reason it isn't sustainable is that the bitcoin network takes stupid amounts of electricity to keep the blockchain running. Bitcoin will die off. Whether or not cryto in general is here to stay is a different story.
 
One of the biggest problems with bitcoin and the reason it isn't sustainable is that the bitcoin network takes stupid amounts of electricity to keep the blockchain running. Bitcoin will die off. Whether or not cryto in general is here to stay is a different story.
Etherium is no better, and most meme coins are based on etherium.
 
Etherium is no better, and most meme coins are based on etherium.
True, but the Ethereum network calculates mining difficulty by the amount of hash rates on the network. Bitcoin calculates mining difficulty by the amount of bitcoins left to mine.
 
True, but the Ethereum network calculates mining difficulty by the amount of hash rates on the network. Bitcoin calculates mining difficulty by the amount of bitcoins left to mine.
The consequences of which are totally irrelevant when GAS fees can push $10k, and transactions can take in excess of 6 hours ot process. There's a very good reason that PoS has been delayed for 6 years, that $10k is a good indicator.

Not that any of this being fixed would solve th massiv efraud issue sthat come from a "currency"w ith no way to reverse bad transactions and no recource for being scammed.
 
Imo, where NFTs have the biggest potential to change the way we conduct transactions are in spaces where the 'receipt' is the import part of the transaction. NFT house and car titles, for example. Using them for art is a waste of time and resources - and the only people who care about the receipt for their art purchase are those using the art as a tax dodge (buy low - say, $100, buddy appreciates it worth higher - say, $1 million, donate it to non-profit, write off the appreciated values; you just bought a $1 million dollar tax write-off for $100).

The other potential usage are for "used" digital items that are actually unique; like CD keys. If you could replace those with NFTs, you could open up a market of used digital game/software sales, just like you have a market for used physical games. Or just used PC games in general, where its a risk to buy because you don't know if the CD key is still any good, or if it has been permanently associated with a single account as a form of anti-piracy.

I suspect, one way or another, Valve will hop onto the crypto train. They're just going to wait for the tech to mature more. Imo, we'll all be on the crypto train eventually, but the space is going to look very different from the way it looks today - govt. backed coins, govt. supported NFT systems for titles, deeds, contracts, etc; all decades away, probably.
 
The consequences of which are totally irrelevant when GAS fees can push $10k, and transactions can take in excess of 6 hours ot process. There's a very good reason that PoS has been delayed for 6 years, that $10k is a good indicator.

Not that any of this being fixed would solve th massiv efraud issue sthat come from a "currency"w ith no way to reverse bad transactions and no recource for being scammed.

What are you talking about? ETH transfers have a (edit: almost) fixed cost (~50<200 gwei or ~$0,5~2.5) it doesn't matter how much you transfer. If you opt to use more gwei (100 instead of 50ish) transfers are instant. If you go low, such as 40gwei, transer will never happen if network cost is higher than 40gwei. You can change the gwei you are willing to pay for your transfer or wait until network price drops to <40gwei, then your transfer will come to turn.
Please refrain from talking about something you have only heard about but have no experience with it. You could have at least read something official instead of angry reddit mob posts.
 
Best description I heard of cryptocurrencies:
It's like having an imaginary best friend ... who's also a banker.
 
True, but the Ethereum network calculates mining difficulty by the amount of hash rates on the network. Bitcoin calculates mining difficulty by the amount of bitcoins left to mine.
This is something I did not know, if it's true.

Is this correct?

It doesn't scale and has no physical backing.
You're a bit behind the times. Most of the world currencies are no longer based on the Gold standard and haven't been for decades.
 
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