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GeForce - Generations

By melo_emo
Apr 1, 2002
  1. G - Generation

    hey ... i'm little bit confused with the video adapters tech. nowadays ... coz' there are many superb tech. are goin in the market especially from the amazing nvidia chipset but their price is not amazingly dropped like pocessor was GForce3 & 4 are still get to far from me :( (i'd rather buy PS2 than GForce3ti500) ... what i really think about is ..

    - is there another G (Gforce) to come ?? ( to mentioned that a lot of G : Gforce, Gforce2, Gforce3, Gforce4 and they many attributes of they spcec.)

    - where are the competitors ? such as ATI (after released the mighty radeon but still can't beat nvidia from their fans)

    - Are they product is base for what people need ? or just another tech. show off ??

    but anyways i'd like to thankful to the gamers developers which has made a major revolution to the computer technology which as has a main part to the evolve of the way we computing....
    bravo....!!!!
     
  2. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Posts: 868

    First off I would look here on an ongoing post about that the next GeForce will be like and when it is coming out. Noone really knows of course so it is all speculation at this point.

    http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=945

    As for any competitors, ATI is really the only legit one left at this point. Since Nvidia bought out 3dfx, ATI is the only company that can challenge Nvidia, and keep them for monopolizing the GPU industry.

    The GeForce will come in 3 different brands the 4200, 4400, and 4600 respectively. The 4200 will only cost around 200 dollars, while the 4400 will be around 300, and the 4600 topping out at 400 depending on the manufacturer of course. So I believe pretty much everyone is covered price wise at least. And if you still can't afford that then there is the infamous GeForce 4MX series which is a little less than the 4200, but performance isn't nearly as good.

    If you read around there are plenty of other threads talking about the new GeForce 4's and their benefits and cons, etc.

    http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=618
    http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=875

    Hope this answers some of your questions. If you have more, please feel free to ask!!! :)
     
  3. melo_emo

    melo_emo TS Rookie Topic Starter

    hi cheetah i've read ur opinion from my threads...and i'm grateful for ur information .. but anyway there a lot of different thing ( sorry! ) when u mentioned that the price of gforce4 class is mainly play around in 200 - 400 dollars ... well is not happen in my country ... the price for the gforce3 500 and t1 500 is approx. $399 and near to $400 imagine that i can get a console system such as PS2 for about $290 ... well thats my problem thought..but is there a chance that nvidia to drop the price for the asian market ??
     
  4. SuperCheetah

    SuperCheetah TS Rookie Posts: 868

    The one thing you have to understand is that demand is extremely high for any GeForce 4 at this time. I don't even think the 4200 or 4400 have been released for sale yet here either, so that might be your big problem. I would wait at least another month and see what happens. I believe the 4200's are going to start shipping sometime in April so the price should start coming down in yours and my market as well.

    Your best bet if you don't want to spend alot of money would be a GeForce 3 Ti200 at 200 dollars right now, or wait a month or two and get a GeForce 4 4200 for around the same price.
     
  5. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,571   +103

    Computing and computer hardware are both constantly evolving. Therefore there is always going to be something bigger and better around the corner. Something I say quite a lot is that if we all sat around waiting for the next best thing no one would buy anything. ATI and Nvidia are almost neck and neck with technological advances.

    If it wasn't for Nvidia bringing out the overclocked GF3 ti500 just to stop ATI having the performance crown for any length of time we may have seen ATI hold that position until the recently released GF4 came out. This may have swayed people opinions of the Canadian company somewhat. I haven't heard anything about ATIs next product but they seem to be matching Nvidia step by step. Nvidia power the Xbox, ATI Power the GameCube, Nvidia release an integrated chipset for motherboards, ATI release an integrated chipset for motherboards, ATI release mobile 7500, Nvidia release GF4Go...
    I wouldn't say that ATI is that much in the background, sure Nvidia have the gaming worlds attention at the moment but the moment that ATI come out with a superior product and their driver support has been proven to have improved since the early radeon days then I'll be all over it like a rash.

    Most advances in the last few years has been bandwidth and clock speeds resulting in the ability to render more polygons per second than previous generations. The first step away from this seems to have been the Geforce3 which toted the nfiniteFX Engine where programmers could use the power of the GF3 GPU to do completely new and exciting effects and pixel and vertex shading. Although there has not really been a decent number of games using this technology (DirectX > 8.0) this has been the first change of focus that I have seen for sometime. With GF4 there have been even greater advances in antialiasing meaning that jagged edges can be smoothed out without the massive drops in frame rates. ATI have also been implementing other technologies such as TrueForm (making 3d objects more curved and less blocky) and their own improved antialiasing. This means that not only are we getting more frames per second (and we can't really see that much difference with them greater than 30) but the companies are now focusing on image quality. Hopefully the next releases from both ATI, Nvidia and the other smaller companies will remain focused on improving image quality ;)
     
  6. uncleel

    uncleel TS Rookie Posts: 1,145

    as Cheetah mentioned my post
    > Audio and Video > The GeForce4 Family
    http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=945
    But I agree about image quality, which is why I still use the Voodoo5. It's hard to make time stand still, but it's easier to buy another vid-card (new or used) to improve your system rather than a whole new console w/ all those games included.

    Unfortunately the consumers buzzword is speed; whether w/ cpu's or vid-cards. Hopefully one of these manufacturers will finally say, "Enough!" Quality, stability & good drivers @ reasonable prices, but I doubt it will happen soon. Just on this board alone look @ all the people who want to overclock. Obsessed w/ speed.
     
  7. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    HardOCP had a bit up yesterday about it;

    "A couple of websites are kicking it around that there will be no GeForce5, and from what the CEO of NVIDIA told us at the GeForce4 launch party, that is absolutely correct. Not only is the GeForce namesake going bye-bye, so is the technology. Don't expect to be losing anything, but rather picking up more as I think we will see technologies from 3dfx employed in the NV30 chipset. No doubt that while 3dfx was a struggling company, they had engineers that we not only seeing outside the box, but also down the street and around the corner."
     
  8. svtcobra

    svtcobra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 875

    Long live 3dfx!!! I really hope that the NV30 implements 3dfx FSAA and image quality. Then, Nvidia will come in and add some speed and you got a whole new generations of video cards...

    Wishful thinking..
     
  9. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    GeForce 4 Anti-Aliasing is a bit of a joke, at least mode/implementation wise. I've yet to test my GeForce 4 4400 performance wise in this respect, but mode wise there are ZERO differences & 4xS is 4 Sample + 9 Tap in NVmax, which GeForce 3 can already do also.

    The main thing which bugs me is DXT1 support. Honestly, basically zero other reviewers out there both to mention that its broken & newer games simply disable NVIDIA DXT1 because its so poor.
     
  10. svtcobra

    svtcobra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 875

    Tom, have you tired NVmax with the new 28.32 detonators?
     
  11. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    yup.
     
     
  12. svtcobra

    svtcobra TechSpot Paladin Posts: 875

    and your results?
     
  13. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,571   +103

    Yes I just meant it didn't incurr such a great performance hit.
    I don't mean there AA looks any better than the GF3.
     
  14. TS | Thomas

    TS | Thomas TS Rookie Posts: 1,327

    Seems to work just fine. Something I think might be up with Anistropic filtering option though, not sure.
     
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