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Has Microsoft internally and secretly declared "WAR" on Windows 7 users?

By TheBigFatClown ยท 16 replies
Oct 17, 2015
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  1. Tricking users into updating to Windows 10 is horrible. Not releasing a Service Pack 2 for Windows 7 was unjustifiable. I am in the process of re-installing Windows 7. I had to download 200+ updates. I re-installed Windows 7 fresh on a brand new hard disk drive. And after much wasted time waiting on updates to finish my screen went black and I had to re-boot. When the computer re-started it said the update had failed and it would be reverting the changes.

    "Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes. Do not turn off your computer."

    So now we see the fruits and the philosophy behind not releasing a Service Pack 2. Making it as hard, painful, time consuming, and annoying as possible for anyone who wants to re-install Windows 7. These heavy-handed tactics aren't going to win you any consumer friendly awards...Microsoft.

    And it makes me wonder just how far Microsoft is willing to go to push Windows 10 onto the world. Is this by chance or on purpose?
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2015
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  2. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,962   +3,152

    I would say purpose but the more I think about it, the more I think Microsoft has positioned themselves under a rock. They say they care about user feedback then seem not to care what that may actually be. Microsoft has never seemed more controversial or arrogant in my eyes.
     
  3. rogueh4

    rogueh4 TS Rookie Posts: 17

    Yea, I'm feeling the same as cliffordcooley. Microsoft is putting themselves in a position that isn't going to end well, not with out change.
     
  4. HiImTim

    HiImTim TS Enthusiast Posts: 36   +10

    It's like apple and how after they launch a new iphone, you update the os on your old one and suddenly it's slower.
     
  5. twinoaks

    twinoaks TS Rookie

    "TheBigFatClown,

    "Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes. Do not turn off your computer."

    Hi
    Did you find an answer to your problem, as I now have it?
    What did you do sort it out?
    Have had it twice in the last couple of days, 114 files downloaded. Then get
    "Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes. Do not turn off your computer."

    I brought a refurbished computer a few days ago, with Windows 7 Professional loaded up.
    So now wondering about updating it to Windows 10 but like Windows 7.

    Regards.
    Kevin
     
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  6. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 9,943   +742

    Run Updates Manually, selecting only only groups, say all .Netframe at one time. Come back and select a set of say 50 of another type, working your way to completion. Any failures will only revert the last attempt and keep what was completed.
     
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  7. twinoaks

    twinoaks TS Rookie

    Hi Jobeard
    And how do I run the updates manually? When it's been 114 in the last two.
    Hope you can help me.
    Kevin
     
  8. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 9,943   +742

    You have to SELECT the specific updates to be applied
     
  9. twinoaks

    twinoaks TS Rookie

    Sorry Jobeard
    But how do I do that. I'm not that tech savvy.
    Kevin
     
  10. learninmypc

    learninmypc TS Evangelist Posts: 7,041   +352

    I'm not jobeard but in my experience I believe there is a box for each update, check one or two at a time & download/install them & continue on.
     
  11. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 9,943   +742

    That's correct, clear them all first, then manually select a grouping.
     
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  12. Phr3d

    Phr3d TS Guru Posts: 335   +70

    Not that I would ever recommend this, but simply installing SP1 and disallowing further updates will result in the smoothest operation (and flat eliminates MS 'updating' your Win7 into oblivion). The further updates are security related, and you -could- end up getting poisoned on the net, but MSE blocks most of the culprits before you can get boned, and No One opens attachments in email ever, so the risk is small by some accounts, mostly those that never search for game hax & free games / porn, lol.
     
    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017
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  13. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 9,943   +742

    Add a good Av product that scans Email & weblinks is a good proactive choice in this regard.
     
  14. gbhall

    gbhall TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,431   +77

    "TheBigFatClown, If your newish purchase is refurbished, it might not pass the windows 10 qualification process. It's pretty necessary to do that before you even try to update, but my personal opinion is - since you have the pro 7 I would not consider upgrading for a moment.

    Stay with what you have, make sure SP1 is installed, go into the settings of windows update and stop everything being automatically download or installed. Invest in (or use a quality free version of) a full system imaging package and take an image as you stand now. Then in future just check out the security updates offered, and if they seem suitable, allow them to install. If all hell breaks loose at any time, you can always restore to your saved image. Some week or more after successful applying of security updates, take another base image and carry on from that point. Always ensure you have at least two generations of images (that's called father and son). If you want to go as far as I do, then the media for those vital images would be a plug-in USB drive, and it would NEVER be plugged in unless you are actually using it.

    There are ways and means of checking on the internet to see if any particular updates have been problematic. It is not simple, and can be time consuming. I personally subscribe to Windows Secrets and follow the advice of Susan Bradley in her 'Patch Watch' monthly columns.
     
  15. Technosense

    Technosense TS Member Posts: 38   +17

    It's evident MS plays dirty and is intentionally frustrating users in several ways, this being one of them. I built 3 new boxes last year and had the exact same problems installing W7 on all them. After some research, I discovered there were 2 small updates that once installed, avoided the delays and updating everything right away. (My notes are at work, but I can dig them up if you want them). The process took a full day to complete. Of course MS could make it much easier, but why the hell would they do that when their real intention is to get you off it? I find their deceptive tactics and weak excuses insulting, but that's the world for you.

    I ended up biting the bullet and going with 10 for my my daily workhorse and after immunizing it as much as possible (Spybot), I guess I'm OK with it. It's stable, might be a little quicker with some things and aside from some poorly designed GUI and menu issues, I can get my work done and play a DX12 games on the weekend (which isn't all that BTW).

    For W7 users, It's only going to get worse over time as MS enjoys a monopoly for the most part, I can't go with iOS or Linux and get all the software I need so that's out and they know it. I'm always glad to hear when people are able to successfully migrate away from windows because without at least some small threat...things would be much much worse.
     
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  16. gbhall

    gbhall TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,431   +77

    Tecno, I would welcome the KB numbers so I can confirm I have them on my system.
     
  17. BrianMontanye

    BrianMontanye TS Enthusiast Posts: 48   +24

    I would agree with the upgrade to Win 10 tactics being less than wholesome. But, the updates in Win 7 have been like that since well before win 10 came out so I don't think it's a conspiracy. That being said, I had heard about Win Updates heading to rollup type deployments. Meaning, a small SP every month/patching cycle. Most of the time, manually updating the windows update client on the Win 7 boxes, and installing the latest version of IE will clear most of the update issues with Win 7. Sometimes, you may need to clear out the windows update local cache but it's not as common and I think MS has a FixIt file for that.

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/971058/how-do-I-reset-windows-update-components - if you click the link at the top for Win 8/7 you can get a MS file that should do the reset for you.
     
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