Intel is relaunching the Core i9-14900K... wait, it's the 6.2GHz Core i9-14900KS

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Perhaps you should finally undetstand difference between following:

1. Trolling
2. Making claim with source
3. Making claim with argument

In this case.

1. Saying Arrow Lake CPU will use TSMC 3nm without source or valid argument is trolling.

No it isn’t - and you were told multiple times that it MIGHT be true - no one knows the truth either way!!

2. Saying Arrow Lake will contain some TSMC 3nm parts with source goes to "claim with source" category.

We gave you sources - rumours say either the GPU, the CPU or BOTH MIGHT be TSMC 3nm - no one knows the truth!

3. Speculating that AMD no longer have node advantage because (arguments here) is speculation with arguments.

They MAY still maintain node superiority- but it won’t be as pronounced as it was in the past. The difference between Intel’s 14nm (and weird 10nm) and AMD’s 7nm (and later 5nm) was huge. But the difference between, at worst, Intel 3 and TSMC 3 won’t be nearly as great. COMPREHEND?!?

2 and 3 are OK. 1 is not. Especially since there are Ultra Strong counter argument. Intel has made their own CPUs for decades. Now Intel has also launched IFS. Intel could say "we don't have capacity" etc and use TSMC for GPU tile. But for CPU tile? If even Intel doesn't believe on Intel CPU process, who else will? Intel admits their CPU process sucks, use TSMC instead. Good luck for stock price and IFS.

This is what we call trolling - you don’t have any evidence for this!

 

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No it isn’t - and you were told multiple times that it MIGHT be true - no one knows the truth either way!!

Then it should be told as speculation, not as a fact. That's big difference.

We gave you sources - rumours say either the GPU, the CPU or BOTH MIGHT be TSMC 3nm - no one knows the truth!

You didn't give ANY sources. Again, we are talking about CPU, not GPU. Source you gave me said CPU is Intel 20A!

Agreed, currently no-one knows what it will actually be. Because of that, keep that as speculation, not as fact.

They MAY still maintain node superiority- but it won’t be as pronounced as it was in the past. The difference between Intel’s 14nm (and weird 10nm) and AMD’s 7nm (and later 5nm) was huge. But the difference between, at worst, Intel 3 and TSMC 3 won’t be nearly as great. COMPREHEND?!?

No. Intel's 10nm was supposed to be ultimate node that trounces everything. As for that, Intel 20A is supposed to be this and that. BUT. TSMC has actually delivered good node after another, Intel's track record starting 8 years ago is pretty worse to be honest. So anything Intel says about their nodes, is not reliable information. We can trust TSMC but right now Intel has lot to prove.

This is what we call trolling - you don’t have any evidence for this!

Only thing there needs evidence, is fact that Intel has made(=manufactured) own CPUs for decades. That's very easy to obtain. Other than that, there are no claims about any facts, so those don't need evidence.

When it comes to trolling, remember, there are professionals in every thing that exists. And you seem to be amateur.

 

[erickmendes]

 

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Then it should be told as speculation, not as a fact. That's big difference.

Did you actually read ANY of my posts? I never stated ANYTHING was a fact.

You didn't give ANY sources. Again, we are talking about CPU, not GPU. Source you gave me said CPU is Intel 20A!

Yes I did - but the sources were to RUMOURS - as EVERYTHING is still a rumour. I beg you, please try to READ (and comprehend) some of my posts.

Agreed, currently no-one knows what it will actually be. Because of that, keep that as speculation, not as fact.

If only you really did... and I have done so repeatedly - you just failed to read or comprehend my posts.

No. Intel's 10nm was supposed to be ultimate node that trounces everything. As for that, Intel 20A is supposed to be this and that. BUT. TSMC has actually delivered good node after another, Intel's track record starting 8 years ago is pretty worse to be honest. So anything Intel says about their nodes, is not reliable information. We can trust TSMC but right now Intel has lot to prove.

Yes - PREVIOUS nodes from Intel were inferior. NO, we don't know if Intel's new node will match TSMC. However, we can infer that even if it doesn't match TSMC, it will certainly be a lot closer than it's been in the past. That's assuming they don't just use TSMC for the whole thing - which is RUMOURED (not a fact, use a dictionary if you can't quite comprehend this) to be the case.

Only thing there needs evidence, is fact that Intel has made(=manufactured) own CPUs for decades. That's very easy to obtain. Other than that, there are no claims about any facts, so those don't need evidence.

Indeed - but this has ZERO relevance in this debate.

When it comes to trolling, remember, there are professionals in every thing that exists. And you seem to be amateur.

I agree: the professional troll here is certainly you... curious: does AMD pay you?

 

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Did you actually read ANY of my posts? I never stated ANYTHING was a fact.

Let me remind where this all began:

Intel is relaunching the Core i9-14900K... wait, it's the 6.2GHz Core i9-14900KS

Looking at the spec sheet provided by Intel, 14900KS versus 14900K: the new KS model has a new maximum clock speed of 6.2 GHz, up from 6.0...

www.techspot.com

Now you gave source that says what I'm saying:

Intel is relaunching the Core i9-14900K... wait, it's the 6.2GHz Core i9-14900KS

Looking at the spec sheet provided by Intel, 14900KS versus 14900K: the new KS model has a new maximum clock speed of 6.2 GHz, up from 6.0...

www.techspot.com

I'm still waiting source for that claim.

And no, I didn't read your posts because I'm still waiting source.

Yes I did - but the sources were to RUMOURS - as EVERYTHING is still a rumour. I beg you, please try to READ (and comprehend) some of my posts.

You gave "source" for claim that Arrow Lake CPU uses TMSC 3nm, however your "source" says it does not.

If only you really did... and I have done so repeatedly - you just failed to read or comprehend my posts.

Again, I didn't answer your posts since I'm still waiting source...

Yes - PREVIOUS nodes from Intel were inferior. NO, we don't know if Intel's new node will match TSMC. However, we can infer that even if it doesn't match TSMC, it will certainly be a lot closer than it's been in the past. That's assuming they don't just use TSMC for the whole thing - which is RUMOURED (not a fact, use a dictionary if you can't quite comprehend this) to be the case.

Intel's CEO confirmed TSMC will be used on Arrow Lake and Meteor Lake. Too bad, they are MCM designs (that is FACT, confirmed by Intel, see below) and therefore there can be mix of TSMC and Intel on same chip.

That is why I wanted source for CPU tile being TSMC 3nm.

Indeed - but this has ZERO relevance in this debate.

Something I could agree.

I agree: the professional troll here is certainly you... curious: does AMD pay you?

Nope.

Now, back to business. Again, I need source for claim that Arrow Lake CPU tile will use TSMC 3nm.

Here's my source that says otherwise, straight from Intel:

Intel Innovation 2023: Empowering Developers to Bring AI Everywhere

AI gives rise to the ‘Siliconomy,’ a new era of global expansion driven by the magic of silicon and software.

www.intel.com

Gelsinger also showed an Intel 20A wafer with the first test chips for Intel’s Arrow Lake processor, which is destined for the client computing market in 2024.

Intel also confirmed Arrow Lake is MCM and will use something other than Intel too (CPU is 20A, something else is not Intel):

Intel Technology Roadmaps and Milestones

At Investor Meeting 2022, Intel shared details on its product and process technology roadmaps and milestones that will drive growth across business segments.

www.intel.com

Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake – Meteor Lake will be built on Intel 4. Arrow Lake will be the first Intel product using Intel 20A tiles, as well as tiles made using an external process.

Now. Intel itself says Arrow Lake CPU tile is 20A. How about finally giving more credible source (than Intel) for claim that Arrow Lake CPU is TSMC 3nm?

 

[erickmendes]

I would say you guys are going too far but