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Lack of XP to Windows 7 upgrade path causing grief

By Justin
Jul 27, 2009
  1. A lot of Windows users held out on a Vista upgrade hoping for a saving grace to come from Redmond and, to many, Windows 7 is precisely that. The upcoming release may end up being worth the wait, but unfortunately for anyone who has opted to stick with XP, Microsoft won\'t be allowing any direct upgrade paths. In the eyes of some analysts, this is perhaps the biggest mistake Microsoft will have made with the Windows 7 launch, and I\'m inclined to agree.

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  2. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    Oh WTF!??? You mean I HAVE to buy vista for my "just purchased" upgrade to work now? This blows. UBER FAIL Microsuckfest! Give me my money back.
     
  3. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    After reading the article on pcmag.com, I don't feel so bad now. XP users will still be able to install the upgrade, though they will have to do a "Custom install" and make backups to external storage prior to installing. Isn't this how they's always done it?
     
  4. snowchick7669

    snowchick7669 TS Maniac Posts: 698

    Haha nice post Wendig0

    I don't think I'll be upgrading to Windows 7 till at least mid next year. Want them to work out all the teething problems first :)
     
  5. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,373   +289

    I'd have to agree - this is a feature that really should have been included in 7 for precisely the reasons you've stated in the article. A lot of people have a bad taste in their mouths over Vista and have heard from many users that Windows 7 makes up for all of it. Telling them they have to start fresh and install all their apps again is not going to go over well - many have no idea how to and even if they did might not have the media to do so. These issues won't affect the regular visitors of this site, but to the the layman who has a job outside of computers this will probably be commonplace.
     
  6. The Windows 7 Upgrade (Home Premium, Professional and Ultimate) box includes both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions, and although you might not be able to do an "Upgrade" style of install, you can still REPLACE Windows XP. This means that with the Upgrade discs (Home Premium Upgrade, Professional Upgrade, and Ultimate Upgrade), you can still do a completely clean install after telling the Windows 7 installer to format the hard drive. Although, make sure you tell it to delete the partition first, then create a new one, and THEN format. I'm not saying you have to make more than one partition. I'm saying that I highly recommend that you do this in order for the installation to go smoothly.

    In other words: don't spend the extra money on the Full version. The Full version is for people who are installing Windows 7 on a system that has never had XP or Vista installed on it. Again, the Upgrade disc does not need the previous version to be on the hard drive during the installation. It has all the same bits and bytes that the Full version has, except I predict that the Upgrade version will ask you to prove that the system you're installing it on once had a Genuine version of Windows activated on it at one time. So, it will probably ask you for its Product Key to check the installation ID with database at Microsoft.

    Microsoft only made it impossible to simply Upgrade from XP to 7, meaning that you can't install 7 on TOP of XP. So, you definitely have to start over, but you don't have to buy the Full version. That much is absolutely certain.

    If you want to talk more about it, then feel free to contact me at www.Overclock.net. My username is TwoCables.
     
  7. When I first read about this I was really angry. But, after some minutes of thought, I realized that by the time I am ready to do the upgrade, I will be ready for a fresh install. My first install of XP was an upgrade and I was sorry in the end. Six months later I did a fresh install.
     
  8. People expect from programmers to predict everything.
    To do a fresh install once a year or two does not present such a problem.
    Since installation of Win7 is fast, I do not see a purpose for an XP-7 upgrade option.
    There is an 8-year difference between XP & 7 and it is complicated to create a stable upgrade path.
    It would take too long to make a OS to satisfy just about every complaint.
    However, it is good for people to stream for excellence, because it gives us a better product in the end.
     
  9. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,184   +177

    The drivers should be relatively stable cause they are similar or the same as Vista drivers. The changes to Aero could be unstable cause they did a bit of work there. Lots of other little bits and pieces added but I wouldn't expect many if any showstoppers.
     
  10. tengeta

    tengeta TS Enthusiast Posts: 632

    How about getting around to a fresh install... ffs even Linux users keep fresh rather often. If you are complaining about upgrading XP to 7 you likely haven't changed a thing for 3 years.
     
  11. snowchick7669

    snowchick7669 TS Maniac Posts: 698

    What I was really meaning is that I want to work with fixing Windows 7 on other computers rather then my machine being the trial and error for me. I like to be able to fix my own machines quickly and easily and know the limitations from hands on experience :)

    I'm still on XP, so shall see what happens. The main problem is that we prefer to play older games and Vista would have ruined that possibility.

    I prefer to wait 6 months after Microsoft release software till I actually try it (so they can add service packs and what not, plus common problems start arising). Just a personal preference
     
     
  12. TechCombo

    TechCombo TS Rookie

    Well this obviously means that they will lose a lot of users to some other platform like Linux. Why would Microsoft be so dense in not allowing users to upgrade from XP....?
     
  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    Oh come on people, we're being punished for not bending over to to receive the Vista blessing.
     
  14. snowchick7669

    snowchick7669 TS Maniac Posts: 698

    Well said Captain
     
  15. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 6,305   +52 Staff Member

    My thought is, this is an artificial limitation. If you can upgrade XP to Vista, then upgrading XP to 7 is just a matter of some effort on Microsoft's part.

    Not including an option to upgrade is going to leave a lot of 'regular joe' users in the cold because they don't know how to backup their Outlook email, backup their photo and music libraries, backup their program settings etc... Starting out fresh is OK for someone in our technorati echo chamber; however, for people outside of our tiny mindshare, this is a harsh and unnecessary limitation.
     
  16. cyriene

    cyriene TS Rookie Posts: 31

    I think the vast majority of computer users could benefit from a clean install of 7 instead of just upgrading.

    I believe the vast majority of computer users have all sorts of crap installed on their comps they don't need. Now, readers here are more computer savvy, but I work with normal people in a hospital and you'd be suprised how little people know about what is on their PCs.

    A clean start always makes me feel good. Of course it will only be a short time before people reinstall crapware, spyware, or whatever else they can find.

    I don't understand as I have never gotten a virus. But my computer challanged girlfriend seems to find them on a weekly basis. And she's not the only one.
     
  17. spikester48661

    spikester48661 TS Enthusiast Posts: 103

    all and all being said 7 is faster than vista.BUT XP is fastest of all to me.and no upgrading BS or installing all my app a new too. long live XP and ubuntu .
     
  18. Tekkaraiden

    Tekkaraiden TS Maniac Posts: 921   +57

    I've never upgraded any operating system without some issues. (That includes OSX and Linux). Better to start with a clean install even if it doesn't stay that way.
     
  19. It is time to suck it up and do a clean install, which anyone with XP should anyway (improve speed and reliability of the 8 year old OS).
     
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    OK, for anybody involved with this thread, an upgrade would make no sense whatsoever. The facts are that if you've even bought a little piece af hardware in recent times, you'll be buying an OEM copy of Win 7 anyway, and it will cost less than an upgrade disc.
     
  21. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    lol, yeah.... Well I was a little anebriated at the time of my posting and jumped to conclusions without thinking it through. It's not so bad after all, because I always make backups before any major upgrade/clean install. :)

    Oh and Captain, I have to disagree. The difference between the pro and ultimate versions is negligible to say the least. The upgrade disc will be just as good as the oem because it also allows you to do a fresh "custom install" and costs alot less. It was the same way with XP upgrades. One of Microsofts little secrets that they didn't want to let loose on the rest of the world, but failed miserably at suppressing.
     
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    The last time I checked, a retail copy of XP Home edition was $199.95. An upgrade copy was $99.95, but didn't t you need a copy of Win 2000 to enable the install? An OEM copy of of XP Home is about $89.95 w/free shipping. Where have I strayed from the path to enlightenment?
     
  23. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    With XP you could upgrade from win 98se as well as 2000. With Windows 7 pro (the version I purchased), the upgrade was $99 (when I purchased it) - $199 currently, and the full retail oem will be $299 so essentially I saved $200 by purchasing early.
     
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,055   +970

    That's not exactly the same as being to do a stand alone install from an upgrade disc, now is it?
     
  25. Microsoft can not get Windows 7 Beta to upgrade to Windows 7 Release Candidate to work, how do we expect them to make Windows XP to Windows 7 upgrade a possibility.
     
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