liquid cooling

By ripken204
Mar 8, 2005
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  1. does any1 know about water/liquid cooling

    i am interested but dont know much about it ,
    websites on it would be helpful

    also how much would it cost?
  2. dopefisher

    dopefisher Newcomer, in training Posts: 540

  3. isatippy

    isatippy Newcomer, in training Posts: 593

    It's quit pricey from what I see. :hotbounce
  4. ripken204

    ripken204 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 315

    does any1 know of any good ones?
  5. Littlejim

    Littlejim Newcomer, in training

    PC water cooling, really the best idea?

    Just had a look at the Koolance website. Oh dear, oh dear. :haha:

    Whoever wrote their technical pages on thermodynamics needs a slap! If anyone wants to know about thermodynamics, I strongly suggest you do not take this website too seriously.

    I will give them a little round of applause for trying but there are just too many inaccuracies. :(

    Water cooling, hmmm. Why do you want water (liquid) cooling? The systems on offer still need a fan to move air past the radiator element of the cooling circuit.....just buy an expensive (and quiet) fan, save the expense and difficulty of a liquid system! Plus a 'proper' cooling system (think fridge or air-conditioning unit) uses a condenser not just a radiator to 'efficiently' remove the heat.

    Also, Koolance suggest the use of distilled water to reduce corrosion...hmmm. First of all, they are right; distilled water is better than tap-water. Unfortunately unless every single component is clinically clean, you will have impurities in the water and you will (especially at elevated temperatures) have corrosion. This is why cars and any other liquid cooling system has corrosion inhibitors mixed with the cooling fluid.

    Final note of caution. There are many types of bacteria that love anaerobic environments (read: cooling systems) and no-matter how good you are, you will in time need to replace your coolant. You can help reduce this flushing activity by using a microbicide but even then, it will still need to be performed.

    There are other factors to consider as well but I think i have said enough.
    Easy now,
    J.
  6. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TechSpot Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    One good company making watercooling products is Swiftech.
  7. SNIL

    SNIL Newcomer, in training Posts: 19

    I found it to be a complete pain in the *** and not really any better than a good fan and heatsink. And I had the supposedly easiest unit: the Thermaltake Aquarius III.
  8. ModGuru

    ModGuru Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    It would cost you around $100.00 - $500.00+. The brands I'm Currently using are: Innovatek, Swiftech, Danger Den & PolarFlo. Are you planning to overclock? If not, I would just use something like Thermaltake Bigwater or Koolance. They have quite a few on Ebay .

    Remember: The bigger the fittings the better (1/4 ID X 3/8 OD, 3/8 ID X 1/2 OD - Standard sizes). The bigger the radiator the better and so on...
    For pumps, I would recommend Swiftech MCP650, Swiftech MCP600, Eheim (also available in 12V), PolarFlo T Series.

    My main advice is to do some more research before you buy.
    Check out these sites: HARDOCP , BigBruin , Gideon Tech and more...


    Stores:
    FrozenCPU
    XOxide
    Jab-Tech
    SharkaCorp
    Atacom
    HighSpeedPC
    SNT-Sytems
    Sylicon Valley CompuCycle
  9. ModGuru

    ModGuru Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    Thermaltake????

    Thermaltake is a piece of ****! I think the pump output is only 90+ LPH. A good pump would be between 150 GPH to 300 GPH. Thermaltake only use a 1/4 ID tube. Compare to mine, I use 1/2 iD tubes. Bug difference there! Thermaltake is diffinetly not good for overclocking! The one you're talking about is even worst! The only thing I like from Thermaltake is the Water Temperature Indicator because it's cheap. Innovatek systems has better designs and more effective. A good water cooling system is capable of bringing the temperature down to 25c to 35c with the CPU load of 100%.
  10. ModGuru

    ModGuru Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    I was never a fan of Koolance.


    Yo! Can a fan bring a temp down to 25C or lower? I don' think so... Can a fan handle of xtreme overclocking??? I don't think so... not even with twon dozen of fans in your system. That would drive me crazy with all that noise!!! You don't nned to have fans to have a watercooling system. Some radiators don't require fans. They're big enough and theyhave more water volumes. HA! HA! HA!
  11. ModGuru

    ModGuru Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    HA! Ha! HA! Aquarius III??? What the hell is Aquarius III, a poop cooler? WTF!!! It belongs in the garbage...
     
  12. AtK SpAdE

    AtK SpAdE TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,846

    i would never do it

    I know it is sort of stupid...but water+electronics=makes me uneasy

    I put alot of money into my rig and i just dont want to take the risk. Plus the price...i think it is good only for real high end systems


    Sean
  13. ripken204

    ripken204 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 315

    im looking for a high end system
    http://frontiernet.net/~unholyknights/comp/mycomputer1.html

    and thx modguru, ill have to check out that stuff, and when i saw him talk about the aquarius i was saying to myself the same things u said, even with the research ive done in 1 day i know that the aquaries if a pice of s**t
  14. Tarkus

    Tarkus TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 837

    I've been water cooling with a Swiftech Q-power case for almost 3 years now. They no longer offer the system, so you'll have to go with their kits, now. Danger Den is also very big in the watercooling kit arena. I would not bother with less myself. You'll also want a larger than normal case to fit the radiator or you'll have to get creative on mounting.

    SWIFTTECH

    Danger Den
  15. BringinHeat

    BringinHeat Newcomer, in training Posts: 171

    The new swiftech liquid cooling systems are one of the best pre made cooling systems you can get. They cost about 150 - 250 depending on what accesories you get. There is a review of them

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/swiftech-cooling.html

    Check it out!! I was looking to get that one for my system but since i was not doing extreme overclocking i just stuck with a good aluminum case and a few fans but for people who want to overclock their systems to the max nothing beats a good water cooled system. :cool:
  16. ModGuru

    ModGuru Newcomer, in training Posts: 20

    PolarFlo TT Series, Danger Den RBX or the Cuplex Evo Revision 1.1 for CPU water blocks. SNT-Systems and FrozenCpu got some really cool stuff.
  17. Triton

    Triton Newcomer, in training Posts: 112

    The though of "water" cooling always made me nervous also.
    Always made me think of Ben Franklin flying his kite in the thunderstorm or the cartoon character lighting a match too find there way in a dynamite shack.

    Fluid XP, non-conductive coolant;
    http://www.integrity-pc.com/fluidxp.cfm
    http://www.xoxide.com/fluidxp.html
    "Xoxide.com, Inc. does not guarantee this product or its claims. Please test the liquid or research it before use in a system."

    SAPPHIRE™
    "It is based on NOVEC™ 1230 fluid by 3M, which is the first alternative chemical clean agent to offer a viable long-term solution for special hazards fire protection.”
    "regular readers of Slashdot probably have something else in mind: total-immersion watercooling"
    http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/14/1621235&mode=thread&tid=126&tid=134
  18. BringinHeat

    BringinHeat Newcomer, in training Posts: 171

    Most water cooling kit companies require the use of distill water as it is a poor conductor of electricity and you should be safe in case of any spills. That Fluid XP looks really cool as well i dont know about that $49.99 price tag though specially if the product doesnt guarantee anything. Actually i got this review of it if anyone is interested in getting it:

    http://www.extremereviews.net/data.php?recordID=135&page=1&type=review
  19. ripken204

    ripken204 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 315

    so then koolance would be the best way for me to go? also if i do get them then should i get one of their cases with it already installed?
  20. ripken204

    ripken204 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 315

  21. 1000cc

    1000cc Newcomer, in training Posts: 83

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  22. ripken204

    ripken204 Newcomer, in training Topic Starter Posts: 315

    well im thinking of using a non conductive liquid, possibly "fluid xp" unless someone else has a better suggestion

    also i see u have the radiator installed on the top, did u do that urself and if so how?

    http://www.fluidxp.com/index.php
  23. Triton

    Triton Newcomer, in training Posts: 112

    My comments were not made to discourage anyone truly interested in moding or liquid cooling, more to encourage caution and respect for electricity.
    Many people die from house fires caused by appliances (TV sets are common cause) and other electrical causes, and they don't use liquid cooling.

    If you remember your high school science class it does not take much contaminants to make distilled water conductive and I think many don't bother using it.

    Cooling systems don't always just leak but spray coolant.

    A phone cord attached to your computer modem also has dangerous voltage potential. Ringer voltage can be as high as 140 volts. Tap voltage around 80 volts.

    If you come into contact with any (high frequency) produced by any voltage it can disrupt heart rhythm.

    "a good quality 110 outlet with built in leak detector should shut down"
    This is called a GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupters) outlet. A good idea even if your not liquid cooling.
    http://www.statefarm.com/consumer/vhouse/articles/circuit.htm

    I don't think its in anyone's best interest to downplay the dangers of electricity. Respect it or it can hurt you, directly or indirectly.
  24. nellakita

    nellakita Newcomer, in training Posts: 54

    i strongly recommend you check out the (Zalman Reserator I Silent Water Cooling System) this is a wiked water cooling system and no noise no fans and is not that heavy on the pocket i suggest you do some research on it and i think this will be the one for you Zalman Reserator I i would like to know what your final decision is incase there is something better that i havent see
  25. 1000cc

    1000cc Newcomer, in training Posts: 83

    Triton good points .how ever most people use ethernet conection between modem and the pc since most serius gamer would not use dial up modem . this runs on super weak D.C current. a short jolt low amp a.c most people can tolerate i dont recall the last time some one got kill by a phone line ringer jolt. but under extreme circumstances who knows.
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