Microsoft demands $15 per Android device from Samsung

By Jos
Jul 6, 2011
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  1. Microsoft is using its patent arsenal to make some cash out of Android's success and the company has set its sights on a big target. According to a Reuters report,…

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  2. Kibaruk

    Kibaruk TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,432   +473

    Go microsoft go push windows phone, cool marketting bro.
  3. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,682   +86

    Some strong arm tactics from MS, oh well, they have been at the receiving end for many years so I guess they deserve a little leeway in this (as long as their claims are justified and reasonable).

    I think they should ask them to simply build a Galaxy SII WP Edition, and I am sure it will sell in good numbers.
  4. treeski

    treeski TS Evangelist Posts: 955   +193

    @Archean: If a company has the patents, they will always try to collect royalties. That's kind of the point of patents... to protect a company's time/resources spent in creating whatever the technology is that the patents detail.

    Also, if you do a little searching, you'll see that it is heavily rumored that Samsung is in fact designing a WP Mango version of its Galaxy SII.
  5. Archean

    Archean TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,682   +86

    Yes tree, I've posted a link to one such rumor some time ago :)
  6. I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks that there is something inherently wrong with a company holding patents for a technology/technologies being used by one of your biggest competitors? Especially if you weren't involved in it's development?

    So much for competition!
  7. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 669   +72

    uh isn't that the point guest? Your competitor shouldn't be developing products that you hold patents to without talking to you first.
  8. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 669   +72

    Also, I love samsung's proposal to pay 10 bucks and give WP7 Strong support. I think that would be the better deal for Microsoft, since the OEMs have put out some very stale designs for WP7 thus far.
  9. So why doesn't Microsoft sue Google? Why don't all the companies that are being sued by Microsoft sue Google?
  10. You're missing the point, chazz (I'm not that other guest, by the way, but I understood his point). Software patents are so broad and vague now that people incidentally come up with the same ideas as competitors. It's not a case of companies developing ideas based on a competitor's patents without their consent, what's happening is company A comes up with an idea and develops it into a marketable product then company B hauls up some patent they filed years ago and did nothing with that vaguely describes what company A is now doing and demands financial compensation for infringing their patent, it's despicable.
  11. aj_the_kidd

    aj_the_kidd TS Rookie Posts: 555

    I guess MS really wanted to wait until Samsung released the SGS2 before officially making a demand, smart move by MS, I also liked Samsung's counter to give $10 and develop a "deeper alliance", well played by both parties IMO
  12. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 669   +72

    Except, I'm not missing the point. This is an example of what's wrong with today's patent system. Companies come out of the woodwork years after a product has been in market with some random patent and expecting huge payouts for it. There should be a time limit on these things. As for Microsoft's patents, you are very wrong, they have been using them and they are still in use at this moment. You'd be a madman to expect that in this day and age, you wouldn't have to pay licensing fees for mobile phone technology.

    I'm not an expert on patents or even mobile phones but, as I see it, Microsoft is justified for requesting their due licensing fees. Microsoft has never been a patent troll of a company, they are generally the ones being sued. Apple is the company that sues everyone and everything.

    As for the other post. Microsoft is suing the OEM and not google because google doesn't make any money directly from Android. They give the software away for free, so they can only go after the OEMs as they're the ones making money off of it. Google does not offer any legal protection for the OEMs running their OS. Microsoft on the other hand does, so if company A wanted to sue OEM B for a pantent being used in WP7 software. Microsoft would be the one that goes to court over it, not the OEM.
  13. Microsoft kicking azz. Buying Skype, Yahoo, teaming up with FaceBook, Baidu >> Bing for all english search, making WP7 primary phone OS on Nokia devices and in turn identifying the Nokia brand\image with WP7. HTC is onboard and now Samsung is offering to spread its legs and pay $10 doing so.

    I think in a world of booms and busts, Ms is about to take off again. Apple will break a leg soon, Google will hang on.
  14. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,964   +355

    Patents do have time limits.
  15. Chazz

    Chazz TS Evangelist Posts: 669   +72

    How long do people have before they're no longer able to file a patent dispute? I read stories of people coming 10-20 years after the fact and suing.
  16. pixelstuff

    pixelstuff TS Rookie Posts: 19

    What is different between Android and iOS that OEMs using Android have to pay patent royalties, but Apple does not? Or is Apple paying royalties to Microsoft for the patent in question?
  17. That's probably the other way around, pixelstuff.
  18. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 6,964   +355

    Chazz, that's a legal question I don't know the answer to but patents themselves can last 10 to 25 years depending on what kind they are. That's about all I know about it.
  19. WTF I do not get this so let me get this straight ... Microsoft is making samsung pay for something they do not own and they are getting away with it??? why doesnt google demand $30 for every windows or xbox product sold it would be ok as microsoft are making others pay them for products they do not own unless I missed something in that post...
  20. joeperris

    joeperris TS Rookie

    Google doesn't make any money out of Android, they offer it free to manufacturers.

    Its the mobile phone manufacturers that make money out of Android so Microsoft is after them for their cut ;-)
  21. lmike6453

    lmike6453 TS Enthusiast Posts: 100   +6

    So what is within the Android system that Microsoft has rights to sue for?
  22. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,729   +1,093

    While they're at it MS should sue google for their logo. I really doubt it's just coincidence that the four colors of google's logo happen to be the exact same four colors of Microsoft's logo.

    And lmike... they're not saying. We don't know (yet).
  23. JudaZ

    JudaZ TS Enthusiast Posts: 284

    The google logo is based on Lego colours .

    their first server had a case built of lego

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