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Microsoft sued over use of Live Tiles in Windows

By Jos
Oct 31, 2012
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  1. Microsoft is already facing lawsuits related to the recently-launched Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 operating systems. Surfcast, a Portland-based company OS development company has filed a complaint with a U.S. District Court in Maine, claiming that Microsoft is infringing...

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  2. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Addict Posts: 549   +149

    BS. As said, they've had 2 years and did nothing. So they should just stop trolling as they didn't defend their patent back when it mattered...
     
  3. Win7Dev

    Win7Dev TS Booster Posts: 375   +43

    ?System and method for simultaneous display of multiple information sources"

    So wouldn't that include Spaces on OSX and expose? You can view multiple information sources at the same time. The sources being different windows open on your desktop.
     
  4. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Maniac Posts: 585   +79

    If they're not making or selling anything... there's no ground for damage or lost revenue.

    next.....!
     
  5. Illusions

    Illusions TS Rookie

    There it is. They make nothing and sell nothing.!

    "The company, which doesn?t appear to make or sell anything of its own, is asking Microsoft to pay damages for infringing the patents and cover legal expenses."

    Patent squatters are bottom feeders!
     
  6. Windows 8 is still in the news cycle and people are talking about it whether negatively or positively - cue the patent trolls to come out of the cracks and crevices.
     
  7. Yeah. Tandy Deskmate had "live tiles" in the early 80s and Its been part of Nix operating systems since at least the 90s. Not that microsoft isnt also part of the problem, but this patenting of simplistic and common ideas crap is part of why capitalism is failing in America.
     
  8. This makes sense. Portland, OR.The fountain of ..... nothing worth a shix!
     
  9. Its Portland, ME. Why would a Portland-base company in Oregon file a complaint in the U.S. District Court in Maine. That doesn't make senses.
     
  10. AnotherTom

    AnotherTom TS Rookie

    Look at all the whining about this. The company IS a patent troll, this is currently legal in the U.S. Theses guys own the patent and are claiming MS used their technology without a proper agreement. Is this not what a patent is all about.

    Show me within patent law were it says a company owning a patent can't choose when, or if, to take action. This is America folks. The fact that you don't like it doesn't count. It's legal or NOT. Don't like it, get congress to change the law (good luck with that, by the way).
     
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  11. AnotherTom

    AnotherTom TS Rookie

    What a thoughtful and intelligent comment. Nice job whoever you are. Really adds to the debate. Keep up the good work.
     
     
  12. howzz1854

    howzz1854 TS Maniac Posts: 585   +79

    no one says anything about they can't sue. if anything, they're entitled to sue and put an injunction on it. but to sue for "damages" is a different story. there's no merit to damage since there's no loss sales. it's basic civil litigation law.
     
  13. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,286   +232

    Yah, you're totally right. I mean, it's not like Intel is just a mile from my house, or Nike is based here, or Tektronix, or Freightliner, or... Oh wait, I see what you did there! You threw out an ignorant and baseless post while hiding behind your "Guest" anonymity. Well played.
     
  14. lipe123

    lipe123 TS Guru Posts: 462   +84

    Is it just me or does just about every webpage in existence also "violate" this stupid patent?

    There should be a revision to patent law that a company that is not actively pursuing the development/research of said patent has no right to register it in the first place.
     
  15. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,286   +232

    Unfortunately, they can apparently sue for damages based on calculated lost revenue from licensing fees that would have been acquired on products already sold, plus future losses (which is usually what the lawyers use as the whipping stick to force a licensing agreement). It happens all the time in these kind of "concept" lawsuits, and it's usually why the patent holder doesn't jump out immediately and scream "foul!" The longer they wait, and the more revenue an infringing company makes, the bigger the potential check when the hammer falls.

    Yet another reason that our patent system needs to be revised, with granting of a patent being contingent on actual production or implementation, not just allowing a placeholder on a generic concept to be used as a money trap later.
     
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  16. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,078   +76

    Microsoft to Judge: "But your honor, they're not tiles..... They're Windows" -Puts on sunglasses- YEEEEEAAAAAAH!
     
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  17. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 1,094   +110

    while we don't know the exact specific details of what rally happened, you should know that going against microsoft on a case that has a good chance of winning isn't something you can do withing a few months. they also had to wait for windows 8 to come out to have a stronger case against microsoft.

    If MS knew about the patent and they could not reach an agreement, which I'm sure they tried to do behind the scenes, then they can be sued.
     
  18. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 6,262   +1,551

    It is hard to sue someone for patent infringements before they start charging.
     
  19. Microsoft should just buy them and be done with it.
     
  20. BlueDrake

    BlueDrake TS Enthusiast Posts: 227   +54

    Which will never happen, people would scream bloody murder. Saying that people are taking away their rights, to protect their ideas and letting others abuse what they "patented". It's a sickening thing really, the reason the whole patent system should be scrapped. Put everyone on equal footing, and let it be who gets there first gets the attention. Not just wrap it up in a patent, and package it as their own invention. When really there's tons of patents, that change a bit to be unique, then simply re-patent it.

    Honestly.. there's no way people will ever survive. Especially with this constant trolling, it's best to patent anything. They don't make waves with their hand, wait until the stakes are just right and then strike. They hold the cards just right, so nobody notices they've been played. It's how the whole high stakes game of patent trolling keeps going.
     
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  21. How about a patent on using letters to relay information? :D
     
  22. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 992   +31

    The patenting of ideas is the problem. The patent system isn't meant to protect ideas, it's meant to protect implementations. That the patent system allows patenting ideas is something that needs to be fixed.

    Of course the entire idea of the patent system has been warped. Instead of patents being useful innovations which can be licensed at a decent cost and so help reduce the need to re-invent, they are hard to find pieces of deliberately obfuscated text which are used to make sure that nobody will use that invention but the first inventor, and even that only after they've invented it themselves and used it enough that you can sue and ruin them.
     
  23. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 4,715   +89

    German Company in the early 90's had GeoWorks Pro that used on Windows PC had it's own tile base icons in it's OS. Everyone whines about ideas.
     
  24. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,106   +44

    It's just as if they patent it ahead of time, just for this sole purpose.

    Has anyone visited this website? I mean seriously!? It's a freaking joke.

    I'd be backing Microsoft on this one, I have no doubt this will last long, someone in Surfcast might make a few bucks, and then sell whatever patents to Microsoft.

    THE ONLY NEW FEED.
     
  25. likedamaster

    likedamaster TS Member Posts: 83   +12

    "The company, which doesn't appear to make or sell anything of its own..."

    Whether you like Microsoft or not, this smells of patent trolls.
     


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