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Need advice on 1st Gaming Build

By dfolsom77
Dec 5, 2006
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  1. Ok so I am building my 1st rig from scratch. The rigs sole purpose will be to play MMO's. Here is a list of what I have picked out to go into the build. Any advise or modifications and reasons why would be much appreciated.

    Thermaltake SViking Black Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

    GIGABYTE GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2

    eVGA GeForce 7600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI

    COOLMAX "SLI" CXI-500B ATX v2.01 500W Power Supply

    Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb

    SAMSUNG 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Write

    So those are the guts of what I have planned. I will be starting the build in 1 week and would like to add a 2nd GeForce 7600 in a month or so. I appreciate your thoughts and ideas on anything thight might need to be changed or could improve this while not breaking the bank.
    Thanks to all !
  2. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    Personally I think building a system right now isnt the best idea, with Directx10 graphics cards out and Vista around the corner id maybe wait till prices start fallling.....

    Id personally replace the processor and go for an intel core 2 duo, The E6700 offers the best value for money, especially if your considering overclocking but either way these chips kick the living daylights out of the AMD chips

    Obviously your gonna have to rethink the mobo in that case.... and im sure the techspot peeps can help more there!

    As for your graphics card id get the geforce 8800 series of cards being the only direct x 10 cards currently out on the market... sure they are expensive but if you are planning to upgrade in a few months when they are cheaper there is no point spending so much on the card you have selected


    Other than that it should be plain sailing.... hope this helps
  3. dfolsom77

    dfolsom77 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Cpt,
    Can you explain the motherboard issue. It is not so obvious to me? The case specs says it holds either ATX mobo 12" X 9.6" or Micro ATX mobo 9.6"x 9.6" So I am not sure why it would not fit in the case if thats what you ment?

    As far as waiting to build. I wish I could however if I want to game at all I will have to go forward with this build as the wife has now taken the other comp over due to her being back in school.

    As far as the Core 2 Duo E6700 i think i saw the price on that at around $500 This is alot more expensive than the AMD I have picked out ($148) d like a nice setup but it doesnt need to be the most uber..

    As far as the graphics card. Again not looking to spend the money that the 8800 is going for now. I was just wanting a card that would hold me over until everything with Vista & Direct X10 settle down. The 7600GT is on sale at a local store right now for around $115-$120. I can handle this expense for the time being.

    I appreciate the comments and if you could possible touch more on why you think the MOBO will not work with the case I would appreciate greatly.
    Thanks,
  4. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    What I mean about the mobo is that if you go to a core 2 duo chip you would need a lga775 socket motherboard is all.

    Obviously you know what you want and need better than I can but I would recomend a core 2 duo chip over the AMD chips,
  5. dfolsom77

    dfolsom77 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Ok i follow now. Thanks for the advice. On the topic of the core 2 duo. Are there any cheaper versions that you now of other than the e6700 that would still out perform the AMD CPU I had listed. Thanks and sorry for the confussion.
  6. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Everything else looks really good, You should get atleast 1.5 gigs of RAM for MMOs like Warhammer ( WoW doesnt really have high-end graphics so dont worry about that )

    Also COOLMAX "SLI" CXI-500B ATX v2.01 500W Power Supply change to this
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817341002

    It's a 700w PSU that really last ( all my machines have it and they run 100% great! :D ) or if you want stay with the 500w but a 700w would be better just incase a 500w doesnt hold all your components
  7. dfolsom77

    dfolsom77 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    thanks for the advice Time. I was a little worried about the PSU mainly because I thought about possible adding a second Geforce 7600 to the rig. I will definately look into that.
    Also do you have any feedback on the question from earlier regarding the Core 2 Duo E6700. Are there any cheaper versions of the core 2 duo that would still out perform the AMD i have listed?

    I really appreciate all the help!
  8. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    The Core 2 Duo E6300, the lowest spec of duo's, costs about 40 dollars more on average than the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ but according to benchmarks for that little bit extra you get a chip that outpaces even the Athlon 64 X2 4600+

    But before making a decision id do some research into the comparisons... what I would tell you is if the benchmarks look that good id invest the extra 40 dollars and get a system with much more grunt! :)

    Hope this helps....
  9. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Yeah also when you put the Thermapaste onto the CPU part... DONT eat the paste ;)

    Also if you dont know how to put the paste onto the CPU part dont go crazy and put the whole thing on it because it will mess up your machine, Get someone who knows how to do it or look for a guide on google
  10. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    The Core 2 Duo E6300 can be overclocked to around 2.4GHz with stock cooling and at that frequency, it is able to outperform the FX-62 which is the fastest AMD has to offer. I highly recommend u get it or, if u can afford it, the E6400.
  11. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273


    I new the E6300 could smoke the equivelant AMD's but I had no Idea it could gank the FX-62 also!
     
  12. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

    A C2D at 2.2ghz is faster than any AM2, at 2.5 it's faster than any overclocked AMD(without phase.) Core2 Duos can do over 3ghz with stock cooling.

    AM2 is good enough. If you have a 7600gt you will never see any difference in games any way. It will be the limiting bottleneck. For gamming it may pay more in FPS to spend the money on a 7900gs.
  13. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

  14. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Yeah eVga makes awesome Mobos / Videocards, If I have enough money I might get that board and get Core 2 EX6800 and do some OCing :D
  15. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    Aye thats what my plan is...... but with the Asus striker extreme board........ not sure if I should invest in the quad core though.... its not as good for gaming but that might change when proper multithreading comes into force!
  16. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Quad Core is just a waste of money, Get duo core and you'll be fine :D
  17. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

    That thing will take E6300's to X6800's overclocked speeds. Very nice indeed.
  18. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 7,286   +24

    It's amazing to see the FX-62 getting the crap beaten outta it by a CPU costing around 7X lesser than it. Check out the review here.
  19. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Yeah Intel are making great CPUs every year, Soon AMD would just fade away :haha:
  20. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

    I don't think AMD is going away. They seem to be doing very well in the OEM market. They can sell AM2 chip as fast as they can make them. It's just like what Intel did with the Prescotts.
  21. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    To say AMD will just fade away is abit nieve, sure they are losing this round as far as performance goes but they are making a killing in sales.... I dont think Intel are gonna remain top dog, its just there turn at the moment, even if we wait 10 years AMD will be king again.... its the beuty of competitiveness between companies.... one gets to complacent and then get their teeth kicked in :)
  22. dfolsom77

    dfolsom77 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 32

    Thanks for all of the advice guys. After the information I received from everyone and links with the comparisions. I have decided to make a change in my CPU. I have always had a computer with an AMD in it however I think I will give Intel a shot. I think I am going to go with the E6300 or E6400 still waying the reward for the extra money.

    Now I know a few where throne out but I know I cant spend $200+ on a MOBO. So what is the best mobo for gaming purposes with the socket 775 that falls within the $100-$175 range. That is really all the budget can handle.

    Thanks for your opinions and I can't wait to get this finalized and built and hopefully post a few pics of it.

    Thanks guys....
  23. Mirob

    Mirob TechSpot Paladin Posts: 841

  24. TimeParadoX

    TimeParadoX TS Rookie Posts: 2,438

    Cpt_Subtext you're right, they wont fade away but they will start to lose the picture in performance ( sortof what I ment )

    AMD has really good prices for CPUs these days ( about $80-90 for entry levels )
    and Intel is still top-dog but they still have really high prices ranging from about $100-200 for popular Duo Core and stuff
  25. Cpt_Subtext

    Cpt_Subtext TS Rookie Posts: 273

    Yeah..... I get what you mean but still I wouldnt be suprised if sooner or later AMD took the performance crown again
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