NSA e-mail surveillance program has been under the watchful eye of the FBI for years

[Uncle Al]

It's the fox watching the hen house .....

 

[wiyosaya]

But he makes em count. He's gone around Congress a bunch of times, almost none of it legal.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/12/25/10-ways-obama-bypassed-congress-in-2014/

And why this week of all weeks are we having this argument again? The current headlines in the news are all about how France can't keep track of all it's radical muslims, which basically means that the US won't know about them either, since we rely on France to keep us informed. These radicals all have French passports, and that's a big problem since they can enter the US anytime they want.
At least wait until the next news cycle before going off about surveillance because right now there are 12 dead people who are proving again that terrorism is alive and well.

That wouldn't have anything to do with congress refusing to cooperate. Obama has to bypass congress because congress is absolutely failing to act on anything at all. Hell, congress just insured wall streets illegal trading with tax payer money and you're worried about Obama's executive orders? And I don't think you understand what exactly an executive order is, or what it means when one is signed. They are, in the vast majority of cases, legal. Hell, executive orders are by definition legal requiring a super majority in both the house and senate to repeal. Do you have any orders you'd like to point out as illegal? Or are you just rehashing what you hear on faux?

But above all, what I took way from your post is that you would willingly give up your rights to fight terrorists that might, in the future attack us. However, what happened in France was racially motivated and really has nothing to do with Americans.

I will put this terrorism thing in perspective for you. There will be more Americans killed in car accidents this month than will be killed by terrorists in the next 10 years. Another fun fact is that Americans are 9 times more likely to be killed by a police officer in their own community than a terrorist.

I agree with your viewpoints, yRaz.

Another interesting statistic for our friends is that medical mistakes kill more people than car accidents http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/

 

[wiyosaya]

Who watches the watchmen?

The answer is called 'Checks and Balances' It's a rock/paper/scissors type of organization.

Really? Then I suppose the NSA should be allowed to continue to move forward with its surveillance program since it is essentially unchecked?

Wow! Rock/paper/scissors! I thought we left that decision making method back in the first grade. But then again, straw men are really appealing to those who want to think they know something about an issue.

 

[Kibaruk]

I agree with your viewpoints, yRaz.

Another interesting statistic for our friends is that medical mistakes kill more people than car accidents http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/

Really? Then I suppose the NSA should be allowed to continue to move forward with its surveillance program since it is essentially unchecked?

Wow! Rock/paper/scissors! I thought we left that decision making method back in the first grade. But then again, straw men are really appealing to those who want to think they know something about an issue.

You can click reply, then reply and voila, you have two quotes on a single post.

I don't know why you even bother with this, there is no fact at all of anything and all you get are conspiracy theories by people "outside da grid" who think they are smarter than you because you don't care about what the NSA or FBI or DEA or whatever government division is doing something.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

Wow! Rock/paper/scissors! I thought we left that decision making method back in the first grade. But then again, straw men are really appealing to those who want to think they know something about an issue.

Are you serious? Checks and Balances.... did you think maybe you should google it if you haven't heard of it. it's not a 1st grade method, it's in the constitution. It's how govt prevents any one area from getting too strong. http://www.congressforkids.net/Constitution_checksandbalances.htm
It's how the question of 'who watches the watchmen' was answered a long time ago, and the answer is, 'they watch each other'. If you want to know how (or if) this applies to the intelligence organizations, try googling it.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

I will put this terrorism thing in perspective for you. There will be more Americans killed in car accidents this month than will be killed by terrorists in the next 10 years. Another fun fact is that Americans are 9 times more likely to be killed by a police officer in their own community than a terrorist.

I agree with your viewpoints, yRaz.

Another interesting statistic for our friends is that medical mistakes kill more people than car accidents http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/

Excellent point to bring up, @yRaz... terrorism hardly kills anyone by the numbers, so why do we care about it? (besides 9/11, which I know we're not going to debate it's severity. We're talking about small shooting with around 10 victims I assume since that's what recently happened.)
You bring up the police, and that's another good point. Why do people care so much more about when the police kill a criminal than they do when a criminal kills a criminal?
Do you know? The answer is the same for both questions.

 

[yRaz]

Are you serious? Checks and Balances.... did you think maybe you should google it if you haven't heard of it. it's not a 1st grade method, it's in the constitution. It's how govt prevents any one area from getting too strong. http://www.congressforkids.net/Constitution_checksandbalances.htm
It's how the question of 'who watches the watchmen' was answered a long time ago, and the answer is, 'they watch each other'. If you want to know how (or if) this applies to the intelligence organizations, try googling it.

Well if you've been paying attention to recent leaks you'd see that all of these programs are running out of control and are completely disregarding the constitution.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

Well if you've been paying attention to recent leaks you'd see that all of these programs are running out of control and are completely disregarding the constitution.

Which is why we have a story explaining who was supposed to be watching them - the FBI. Looks like we should be blaming them.

 

[yRaz]

Which is why we have a story explaining who was supposed to be watching them - the FBI. Looks like we should be blaming them.

what you don't seem to be understanding is that all of these agencies are wildly out of control and violating our rights as citizens. They are not keeping each other in check. These programs are also exorbitantly expensive to run. They are using our tax dollars to spy on us. And while we don't have anything to worry about if we aren't doing anything, if we aren't doing anything, why are they watching?

Why do these programs even exist when so many people disapprove of them?

 

[Guest]

Which has been under the watch of Mossad, which has been under the watch of MI6...........
Totally pointless article!

 

[Renrew]

In case we get lonely, some other known security/spying operations paid for by the US Taxpayer United States Intelligence Community
Director of National Intelligence
National Intelligence Council [NIC]
National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC)
National Counterintelligence Executive [NCIX]


Central Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
National Reconnaissance Office
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Official
Defense Intelligence Agency
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Department of Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis Official

Other Defense Department

Assistant to the Secretary for Intelligence Oversight Official
Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Networks and Information Integration Official
Defense Information Systems Agency


Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency Official
Defense Protective Service Official
Defense Security Service Official
US Special Operations Command Official
Army
Army Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence
Intelligence and Security Command

Navy
Office of Naval Intelligence
Naval Security Group Command
Naval Criminal Investigative Service Official
Marine Corps


Air Force
Air Force Technical Applications Center
Air Intelligence Agency


Other Federal Agencies

National Security Council
President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Office of National Drug Control Policy


Energy Department
Office of Intelligence Official
Justice Department
Justice Intelligence Coordinating Council
OIG - Office of the Inspector General
DEA - Drug Enforcement Administration
NDIC - National Drug Intelligence Center
USNCB - U.S. National Central Bureau

State Department
INR - Bureau of Intelligence & Research
INL - Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs
CT - Counterterrorism Office
DS - Bureau of Diplomatic Security Official

Treasury Department
Office of Intelligence Support
Office of the Under Secretary (Enforcement)
FINCEN - Financial Crimes Enforcement
FLETC - Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
National Archives and Records Administration
Information Security Oversight Office

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

what you don't seem to be understanding is that all of these agencies are wildly out of control and violating our rights as citizens. They are not keeping each other in check. These programs are also exorbitantly expensive to run. They are using our tax dollars to spy on us. And while we don't have anything to worry about if we aren't doing anything, if we aren't doing anything, why are they watching?

Why do these programs even exist when so many people disapprove of them?

Because even if you don't like them we need them to stop the people who are planning to attack us. Like yesterday the FBI stopped someone from bombing the capital.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-man-arrested-alleged-isis-inspired-attack-us/story?id=28227724

 

[yRaz]

Because even if you don't like them we need them to stop the people who are planning to attack us. Like yesterday the FBI stopped someone from bombing the capital.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-man-arrested-alleged-isis-inspired-attack-us/story?id=28227724

And guess what, they found him legally through the use of hashtags on twitter, not through the us of illegal wiretaps they have in place on tens of millions of Americans

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

And guess what, they found him legally through the use of hashtags on twitter, not through the us of illegal wiretaps they have in place on tens of millions of Americans

just answering your question of why the programs exist, that's all...

--and actually it's hundreds of millions of Americans

 

[Guest]

I agree with you wholeheartedly!