Nvidia pushes ray-traced gaming ahead with new GeForce RTX 3000 GPUs

[Nobina]

Anyone with half a brain and a 2080ti have already sold it off and ready for the next best thing.

I got 88% ($1000) of my original cost from 2018 back last month when I started smelling big things were coming.

That's been my upgrade strategy for 8 years now and it's done me very very well.

Hardware trade subs are full of people trying to get rid of their 2080 Tis. Guess not many of them have half a brain.

 

[kiwigraeme]

I'm sorry but some of us 3090 owners will get the card through years of smart planning and reinvested returns on sales of previous cards at the right time.

I'll be paying $250 out of my pocket for mine as I've gotten $1250 returned to my bank from previous gpu sales over the last 2 Gen.

Been doing this for 8 years now and have stayed in the fastest gpu you could get at anytime during and yet my total upgrade costs has only been about $300 a year in average.

This year it will be a bit higher with a 10900k upgrade for $217 (from a 7700k I got $300 for in May) and then the $250 for the 3090 but $467 out of pocket is great I think for this kind of performance and like I said my average is $300 because last year for example I spent $0.

You can be on the cutting edge and not be a so called "whale".... I personally think of myself as more of a shark with how well I've navigated these waters and profited.

Ah but you are not our resident whale - even he says it's a savy purchase for his youtube channel - plus maybe he has connections to get the first ones sold .

But to Nvidia you are a whale - because the top end spenders are not so concerned with the price . There is nothing wrong in being a whale - as long as you are not spending your kids lunch money - and you guys are only minkes - compared to mobile blue whales who spend over a $1000/month to stay on top in some mobile game- as the provider continually nerfing the top tier heroes .
As someone here stated a couple of weeks ago - Gaming is cheap compared to some other hobbies - like going to Russia to fly jets

 

[neeyik]

Just got done reading Igor's Lab's take on this new GPUs. One tech spec caught my eye - Igor calculates that the total bandwidth of the 3090 will be almost iTbs. Doesn't that saturate a gen 4 PCIe x16 slot?

Not much data is ever written back from a GPU to system memory, during games at least - certainly not enough to saturate a PCIe 3.0 x16 bus, let alone PCIe 4.0.

was it confirmed that Nvidia is talking about FP32 TLFOPs?

Yes - it's stated on the product page:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 Series GPUs Powered by Ampere Architecture

Experience The Ultimate Performance For Gamers & Creators With Unrealistic Advanced Features.

www.nvidia.com

 

[mshrf]

Looks good, waiting for benchmarks now.

 

[Adi6293]

With the specs & pricing now out in the wilds which one of the three cards in the 3000 series will everyone likely be upgrading to?

Personally would like to get the 3090 but that pricing is just ridiculously steep. Might settle for a 3080 which should make a nice upgrade over my good old 1080 Ti.

I think 3090 wont be double the speed of 3080 and if the rumours of 20GB 3080 are true that seems to be the most sensible option, this is what I will be aiming at

 

[m3tavision]

24GB of Vram for a gaming card could have been 16GB with a cost reduction and no one would notice.

Anyone in the market for a Quardo will most likely have certain requirements that will not allow them to choose a desktop gpu.And yes the Geforce will be faster at gaming but no one in a professional environment will care about games. The Quardo will be faster in its intended market and that is by design by NV. They don't want desktop gpu's cutting into that very expensive to own Quardo market.

Not when Creators can buy 2 for the price of 1 Quadro...

These cards.will be limited and quantity (purposely), with very few going into Gamers hands. Developers will be all over these on the cheap.

 

[wiyosaya]

Maybe nVidia has finally heard all the complaints about their outrageous prices, that is IF this does hit the market in the $500 range. I guess we will see then benchmarks and retail pricing hit.

 

[Endymio]

Maybe nVidia has finally heard all the complaints about their outrageous prices

Given that the 2000-series was selling like corndogs at a hoedown, I think the pricing is driven more by the better yields they're seeing on the N8 process. They're pricing the product at a point they believe will allow them to sell all the units they can produce.

 

[Nargg]

I'm a fan of the ultra-realism that these newer cards bring us. That said, I'm not a 100% fan. There are some games that just play better with lesser realism, and lesser distracting flashy graphics. Fortnite is one of those games that just plays better as flat and unencumbered by fancy graphics. Kind of like Minecraft, it was big in part because it was not fancy. Then there are games like the Assassin's Creed line, or Crysis, or many other immersive world style games that really do need ultra-realism. Even some platformers would fit this, but not all. Ori was a great game that showed off graphics. There just needs to be a realization that not all games, no matter how popular, need to be ultra-realistic.

 

[brucek]

They're pricing the product at a point they believe will allow them to sell all the units they can produce.

I buy that. I think that also explains the high 3090 price (where "all they can produce" may be a very limited quantity). In addition, many potential buyers will be weighing a new GPU purchase against new console offerings, and also potentially a competitive AMD offering at least up through the 3070 if not the 3080. If they have the supply, I can see them not wanting to lose ground.

 

[mbrowne5061]

The 3090 costs nVIDIA around 750 dollars to make according to Moore's Law Is Dead. Thats a 100 percent markup buddy.

You would be surprised by the number of triple-digit-percent markups on consumer products then. The cost of production doesn't stop with labor and BOM. You have to consider marketing, distribution, the cut retailers take, and then generating an ROI after all the money you spent on R&D. I know for a fact that the Roombas available for sale in 2013 had a 100% markup on their cost of production, but that didn't mean iRobot was swimming in money, they still had to account for the rest of the costs of doing business, as well as recover all the money they spent designing and testing those Roomba models.

 

[Karl Hungus]

The 3090 costs nVIDIA around 750 dollars to make according to Moore's Law Is Dead. Thats a 100 percent markup buddy.

And dummies will pay it, so why not? I think they'd still buy it at $2,000. No different than those that buy a brand new truck or SUV. My bro-in-law is a partner in one of the biggest dealers in the province here. Almost 150% markup on those. He buys a bigger house every 3 years (ego issues obviously). Suckers will always be separated from their cash to make someone else rich.

If I ever spend more than $500 USD for a graphics card to play GAMES, I hope someone will electroshock me back into having a life please ;-)

RIP to the twits that bought 2080ti's that should be worth no more than $300 used now...and I'd still rather have the NEW 3070. The ones with any brains sold it a few weeks ago to even dumber dummies.

 

[Squid Surprise]

And dummies will pay it, so why not? I think they'd still buy it at $2,000. No different than those that buy a brand new truck or SUV. My bro-in-law is a partner in one of the biggest dealers in the province here. Almost 150% markup on those. He buys a bigger house every 3 years (ego issues obviously). Suckers will always be separated from their cash to make someone else rich.

If I ever spend more than $500 USD for a graphics card to play GAMES, I hope someone will electroshock me back into having a life please ;-)

RIP to the twits that bought 2080ti's that should be worth no more than $300 used now...and I'd still rather have the NEW 3070. The ones with any brains sold it a few weeks ago to even dumber dummies.

Still going for north of $800 used on ebay.... so I guess there's lots of twits out there...

 

[McMurdeR]

Anyone with half a brain and a 2080ti have already sold it off and ready for the next best thing.

I got 88% ($1000) of my original cost from 2018 back last month when I started smelling big things were coming.

That's been my upgrade strategy for 8 years now and it's done me very very well.

For every seller there's a buyer! A lot of folks out there don't get it.

 

[Lionvibez]

Not when Creators can buy 2 for the price of 1 Quadro...

These cards.will be limited and quantity (purposely), with very few going into Gamers hands. Developers will be all over these on the cheap.

Yes if the software you are using and the vendor support doesn't require you to stick to strict hardware requirements.

A good example of this is autocad.

Certified Graphics Hardware | Autodesk Knowledge Network

knowledge.autodesk.com

Sure you may get that geforce to work but will the vendor support it? If I'm working on a project and something breaks and the vendor is blaming it on a non standard GPU, what will your boss say when you miss that deadline because you wanted to save a few hundred bucks?

 

[Alfatawi Mendel]

I am really happy with the pricing as well, FE RTX3080 it's £649 on nVidia's website, that's a bargain price for that level of performance not sure how much better the 3090 will have to be to be worth more than double the price

Can you actually buy one direct from Nvidia?

 

[Adi6293]

Can you actually buy one direct from Nvidia?

Yeah you can

 

[kmo911]

Finally pcie 4.0 support. why it took so long time to get pcie 4.0 up running. no rts can be made playable with more then 1 fps. maybe 30-100 fps in metro 2033. tomb raider rts on. and many other rts rtx demos only for nvidia. star wars and those too was banned to. (spoiler alert) what if rts works in old dx 1.0-10 1 11 12 extreme out of box. so with amd x570 pcie 4.0 enabled mb you can now doubble bandwidth speed. but we must 1 st try out and wait for stable nvidia amd drivers. then getting a pcie 5.0 ddr5 ram then amd getting pcie 5.0 and then the race are on again ALL ower. DOH

 

[redgarl]

Go try making your own and see if 100 markup is reasonable. Most semiconductor products are sold for many times their build cost because you have to amortize the tens of billions in R&D expenditures.

EXACTLY... this thing with R&D and labor cost closer to 1000$. Like you pointed out, many people don`t understand the TCOO (Total Cost of Ownership).

 

[Karl Hungus]

Still going for north of $800 used on ebay.... so I guess there's lots of twits out there...

There sure is. You may have a couple weeks to get rid of stuff until people clue in. On my local buy/sell site the 1080ti's that were listed for $700 CDN have suddenly dropped to $500 today. That will be $300 by next week I bet...unless they don't really want to sell it. The people with 1070's listed at $325 are dreaming in technicolour at this point. Glad I dumped mine 3 weeks ago...

 

[harm9963]

Please stop , NOOOO !!!!
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[king cleanass]

I'm expecting a 3080 Ti at some point that's like 95% of the 3090 for a few hundred cheaper. I got boned back in the 900 series days by buying a Titan X, only for the 980 Ti to drop a couple weeks later.

I'll probably just do it again now though. I have learned nothing from history.

 

[tom111]

Thank god. Another total BS marketing stunt to separate sheep from their cash.

Perhaps they have enough money and can afford it.

 

[tom111]

Personally would like to get the 3090 but that pricing is just ridiculously steep.

?
But 1500$ is very cheap for Titan GPU. And it is significantly faster, not only some few % than previous Titans.
Even I as an AMD fan think about getting one.
Let's see what Big Navi can deliver. But I presume it will be maximum upper medium end.

 

[tom111]

was it confirmed that Nvidia is talking about FP32 TLFOPs?

I would say so, because that is what counts and the 3090 has double the number of shaders, than the 2080Ti.