I'm more of the opinion that the decisions are deliberate and mostly about data collection and backdoors for security agencies.to exploit.
One survey says Windows 11 adoption hasn't even surpassed Windows XP yet
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captaincranky
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It forces you to do all that "upgrading" you've been meaning to do but keep procrastinating about. See, it's "a force for good".
And may god have mercy on your checkbook....
There was an old ad campaign that went, "the quality goes in before the name goes on".
In the case of windows 10 & 11 that should read, "the malware goes in before the COA goes on".
captaincranky
Posts: 19,688 +8,827
You're absolutely correct, it's completely premeditated.
Ben Myers
Posts: 323 +124
Given the push by Microsoft to have Windows 11 released and available to OEMs in time for the month-long Christmas sales rush, why is it a surprise that movement to Windows 11 has slacked off? Does anyone expect us to all run out and replace those perfectly good desktops, towers and laptops, but not meeting Microsoft's hardware requirements?
Ben Myers
Posts: 323 +124
Good luck with a BitLocker encrypted disk or SSD that craps out and you haven't backed up your data lately.
Geralt
Posts: 1,387 +2,213
You know I'd pay for a Linux distro (100-200 bucks) if it was a painless to use and supported like Windows is. My problem with even neophyte focused distros like Mint is that eventually you find something so broken that using bash to fix it is your only option.
I really don't care but in 2022 using a command line should be an option, not mandatory. Plus I'm dyslexic so it's extra hard for me to use. For all it's many shortcomings Windows is still my go to OS, and I use a ton of FOSS on principle... oh and I'm kind of cheap too, so there's that.
Whenever I've had an issue with Windows I find (eventually) easy to follow instructions on the web to address it, almost never with Linux. With Linux the odd time when I do find a solution, the provider seems to be trying to show how clever they are instead of really fixing things.
OTOH M$ seems to love releasing patches that undo the fixes a lot of the time. Again for me Windows seems to be the lessor of two evils... so far. But I can always hope.
MakeMSGreatAgain
Posts: 246 +185
Windows peaked starting with Windows 2000, then XP, (once they finally patched it some), and 7 was great, but you could just barely see where they were starting to take control away from the user and administrator.
Windows 8 was the start of the huge downward spiral and it has been crap ever since. Sure they sort of brought back the Start menu in 8.1 and 10, but it just isn't good... and after over five years, I still hate it and find it clumsy as hell. What's wrong with letting users still use the "classic" menus and control panel applets if they want to? Why force everyone to this mono toned, feature-lacking UI? So you can stick your damn ads in it? Is that the "Microsoft Way" now?
Microsoft has been taking control away from the user and administrator with every new iteration of Windows since v8. As someone who has used Windows since 3.1 and has seen the rise and fall of Windows, its sad to see it going this direction. I used to like Windows, and I used to defend Microsoft. The created the business standard with Microsoft Windows NT based OS's, Microsoft Office suite, and Microsoft Exchange and Active Directory services, and suite of services included with Windows Server. It is now frustrating and difficult to use all of the new versions of these products from a power user and administrator point of view. You either have more clicks to get to something, or can't do it at all and have to use Powershell. Don't get me wrong I'm not against entering commands, but DON'T TAKE AWAY UI FEATURES THAT USED TO BE THERE!
Microsoft seems to just be dumbing down their OS to MacOS level, both visually and feature-wise. There is a reason MacOS lost the desktop OS war and it was because they wouldn't cater to the power users and administrators who run our business networks, and now M$FT is doing the same crap, and will eventually lose business networks. They are already leaving, problem is nothing underneath is really all that capable as a full desktop OS except Linux, but you have to have expertise to do this, and the world is dependent on Microsoft Office which they won't make for Linux because they know the second they do, over 50% of business would switch to Linux and dump M$FT Windows licensing, their primary cash cow.
Windows 8 was the start of the huge downward spiral and it has been crap ever since. Sure they sort of brought back the Start menu in 8.1 and 10, but it just isn't good... and after over five years, I still hate it and find it clumsy as hell. What's wrong with letting users still use the "classic" menus and control panel applets if they want to? Why force everyone to this mono toned, feature-lacking UI? So you can stick your damn ads in it? Is that the "Microsoft Way" now?
Microsoft has been taking control away from the user and administrator with every new iteration of Windows since v8. As someone who has used Windows since 3.1 and has seen the rise and fall of Windows, its sad to see it going this direction. I used to like Windows, and I used to defend Microsoft. The created the business standard with Microsoft Windows NT based OS's, Microsoft Office suite, and Microsoft Exchange and Active Directory services, and suite of services included with Windows Server. It is now frustrating and difficult to use all of the new versions of these products from a power user and administrator point of view. You either have more clicks to get to something, or can't do it at all and have to use Powershell. Don't get me wrong I'm not against entering commands, but DON'T TAKE AWAY UI FEATURES THAT USED TO BE THERE!
Microsoft seems to just be dumbing down their OS to MacOS level, both visually and feature-wise. There is a reason MacOS lost the desktop OS war and it was because they wouldn't cater to the power users and administrators who run our business networks, and now M$FT is doing the same crap, and will eventually lose business networks. They are already leaving, problem is nothing underneath is really all that capable as a full desktop OS except Linux, but you have to have expertise to do this, and the world is dependent on Microsoft Office which they won't make for Linux because they know the second they do, over 50% of business would switch to Linux and dump M$FT Windows licensing, their primary cash cow.
zamroni111
Posts: 446 +249
I also encrypt my backup external drive with bit locker
Fox God Records
Posts: 110 +97
That's not the point. If a company with the market power of Microsoft can force users into opening up their systems or face extinction, where does it stop? The demand that TPM 2.0 is installed on PCs in order to run Windows 11 has nothing to do with system security. It has everything to do with DRM.
"Install this piece of tracking software or you can't drive your car."
— Ford Motor Company, 2027
Raunchy
Posts: 57 +16
So, to prop up their POS OS, Microsoft is shoving it down users' throats with automatic updates from 10 to 11. And of course, they're continually ramping up their efforts to shove their stupid "Microsoft account" down every user's throat as well.
Windows has become a hopeless mess, and Microsoft has turned out to be the jagoffs we thought they were. Just because they receded into a moribund state for a few years didn't make them better citizens. From the looks of things, it made them worse... at everything except screwing users.
Windows has become a hopeless mess, and Microsoft has turned out to be the jagoffs we thought they were. Just because they receded into a moribund state for a few years didn't make them better citizens. From the looks of things, it made them worse... at everything except screwing users.
Raunchy
Posts: 57 +16
Oh, it's WAY dumber than Mac OS now. The tables have absolutely turned, with Mac OS being much friendlier not only to users but power users and developers.
And I used to mock the Mac as blunt and dumb, whereas Windows (XP) was more like a sharp knife. Now Windows is a taped-together morass of incompetent and straight-up defective UI, and pathetic regressions.
ZedRM
Posts: 1,804 +1,207
That seems like tin-hat kinda stuff.
ZedRM
Posts: 1,804 +1,207
Ok.
No it isn't...
Most people don't have enough critical data to protect. There are MUCH better options out there. Bitlocker is rubbish.
Fox God Records
Posts: 110 +97
Yeah, until you dive into the technologies proposed for Trusted Computing. It's all very real, and being debated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing
defaultluser
Posts: 527 +397
Why? what about all of us out there using desktops,or a notebook that spends 99% of its life on the same desk?
it doesn't prevent ransomware from reading and re-encrypt[ting your files
https://cyberx.tech/does-encryption-prevent-ransomware/
So, the only people who should bother are Business travelers, not anyone else! - screw this thing! you should make offline backups, and run ad-block on every browser you run , before you even bother with bitlocker!
Sir Sparkles
Posts: 219 +101
There's literally years of W10 support left with no more tragic "feature updates" to come. It's a golden era for W10 now they're going to stop messing with it. More stable than it ever was.
W11 is barely past beta phase, every month we see it fall apart and get put back together... the more cautious among us don't want that clusterf*ck on our computers.
I actually find it hilarious that people are upset they can't install W11 on their computers, M$ would have to pay me to do that. I literally can't think of a single compelling reason to submit to all those issues. Windows OS's are always buggy and problematic for the first year or two.
W11 is barely past beta phase, every month we see it fall apart and get put back together... the more cautious among us don't want that clusterf*ck on our computers.
I actually find it hilarious that people are upset they can't install W11 on their computers, M$ would have to pay me to do that. I literally can't think of a single compelling reason to submit to all those issues. Windows OS's are always buggy and problematic for the first year or two.
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Greg Powell
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Do what keeps it secure(in the background), but keep the Win 7 look, please!
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It seems that a majority of users here have some kind of irrational hatred for Microsoft. I suspect that many of said users would have hated Windows 11 and spewed vitriol about it no matter what it was like.
The only actual downside to 11 compared to 10 is a more limited taskbar. That's it. It's largely the same OS with a fresh coat of paint. It makes little sense to be fine with Windows 10 but hate Windows 11.
The only actual downside to 11 compared to 10 is a more limited taskbar. That's it. It's largely the same OS with a fresh coat of paint. It makes little sense to be fine with Windows 10 but hate Windows 11.
Sir Sparkles
Posts: 219 +101
Look at the free tech support sites and you will see that your assumptions are just that. It's buggy as hell. The older OS's have support topics with answers, W11 have support topics that end with MS bug reports.
Every new MS OS has always been buggy when released. Nothing new. The pattern is always the same and has been since MSDOS days.
But yeah, people are sick of the "new features", subscriptions and monetization in Windows. The whole corporate software world has gone like that though because they've seen a strategy to make billions off people whilst providing little more, and the people don't like it.
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Sausagemeat
Posts: 1,597 +1,423
So you’re upset that you can’t install an update that doesn’t give you any more functionality than what you already have?
It's real easy to stop being forced to update to Win11, just don't enable TPM 2.0 in the BIOS. Of course it'd be pretty easy to remove the option to do that, for "security" reasons of course...
lazer
Posts: 484 +151
problem is that M$ is a marketing company first and a tech company last. Most of their operating systems stink, win7 is good and win10 is ok, the rest have problems....
zamroni111
Posts: 446 +249
I also encrypt my offline backup disk with bit locker.
I use ad blocker for mobile and desktop browser.
Bit locker makes data theft much more difficult when your storage is stolen, not blocking ransom ware
zamroni111
Posts: 446 +249
You can postpone windows 10 feature update for a year using gpedit config without blocking security and bug patches
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