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PC Cooling Science Project

Discussion in 'Overclocking, Cooling and Modding' started by vassil3427, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. Grey Area Newcomer, in training Posts: 17

    My two-penneth worth on this one.

    It is true that current flows more easily at lower temperatures, so a "normal" electronic circuit will operate faster the lower the temp drops.

    However, as some have said above, a CPU is "clocked", so it's NOT a normal circuit, it is already artificially regulated.

    What will happen with your experiment is unclear though. In theory as you load the processor it will get warmer, which will slow it down. Except the "throttling" of it is probably already slowing it's potential down to a speed below what it will encounter as it warms up. There will be a critical temperature that is reached where you would see it slow down, but your system is (hopefully) checked to ensure this (very high) temperature is never reached - i.e. your PC will turn itself off as a safety feature before your CPU fries its own brain.

    So what everyone says is true - running a like for like system at two different temperatures, you won't see anything (unless you run so hot that one will fail). However as you cool the processor you get the ability to speed it up (overclock) WITHOUT getting to the critical temperature that causes it to fail. (Interestingly the same amount of energy is generated, you just get rid of it more efficiently).

    On the flip side, I don't think this breaks your school project - you can still do it and prove that this is the case. And if you quote anything from the above, I won't even charge a royalty. ;)
  2. NoisySilence Newcomer, in training Posts: 184

    Any updates on this project ?
  3. vassil3427 Newcomer, in training Posts: 822

    Yes, kinda, within the next month I'll be getting everything set up and completing the experiment. I have to spend about $200 on alkl the stuff I'll need, that is why it hasnt been done yet. I will post results as soon as I finish....
  4. Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,796   +66

    Things to remember:

    The theoretical superconductor works at 0° Kelvin or around -247°C

    Your computer processor is not a superconductor though, you simply set it to a clock speed and it tries to compute at that speed. If it fails to do that it will abort (crash)

    As the CPU gets hotter it will have more problems with computing what it is told to compute due to increased noise at higher temperatures. And at a critical point it will crash...

    Now if you freeze this chip down to 0° Kelvin it will still operate exactly as fast as if it's temperature had been "normal working temp"

    If you however also add in overclocking there will be a tremendous difference because the CPU will output more heat and fail sooner if it is hotter... I.e. you will gain more overclocking headroom the cooler your processor is...

    This is all in line with what I explained above, what this makes us conclude is simply that any processor of a given speed can be overclocked, but by simply decreasing it's working temp we will not change anything...

    Things start to change when we start to talk about stuff that don't have clocks, like our upcoming computer technology, but that is for a different lesson ;-)
  5. Mictlantecuhtli TS Special Forces Posts: 4,916   +9

    Decreasing temperature decreases resistance, and decreasing it too much can cause things like semiconductors not to operate like they should.

    Superconductivity can be achieved in temperatures much above 0K - I think the record is somewhere about 140K now.

    I've read that some liquid nitrogen cooled computers have had problems because of aforementioned semiconductors, because superconductors are, well, super, perfect conductors, not semi.
  6. lowman Newcomer, in training Posts: 446

    My only suggestion would be to incorporate overclocking into your experiment. Benchmark your performance stats with no cooling - "stock" and 1 or 2 "overclocked" settings. Then, run the "stock" and "overclocked" settings with 1 type of "standard" cooling (if there is a standard or basic type of cooling), and then maybe another, more robust type of cooling. The other thing to consider is the load you have on the CPU in each test, and making sure it is exactly the same in each one. You should also verify the temp of each cooling method and the room temp as well for each test, and ensure they are both uniform - otherwise those variables will leave you open for innacuracies. That's my 2 cents, and I'm very interested in seeing how this goes...
     
  7. NoisySilence Newcomer, in training Posts: 184

    Any updates ?
  8. Carrot Newcomer, in training Posts: 16

    my 2 penneth worth.

    I have to agree with with a lot of what has been said, however, this does not mean the experiment will be a failure, even with just the original outlook.

    For example, if the stock cooling temp is just that bit higher than it should be, then you should see the difference in the benchmarks.

    However, this difference, in my opinion, is not going to be huge, and will not necessarily create a successfull experiment.

    I would highly recomend pushing the CPU to its limits. I would suggest that "throttling" be removed for the sake of the experiment, if you feel this is safe. As this would leave it entirley to the processor.

    I would also suggest, in addition to the overclocking of the CPU, underclocking it a little, maybe see how cold you can get the CPU by adjusting the clock speed rather than the cooling (and then maybe with the cooling). Maybe that is a few too many options.

    But I would definately try to see if the better cooling makes any diff at stock speeds (shouldn't do, but you never know).

    However, I strongly recomend you attempt to overclock the CPU to its maximum under every cooling scenario. IMO, only this way will we see how much temperature bears an influence on processing power.

    Don't know much about superconducters though, be careful, and good luck.