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PCIe 4.0 will make auxiliary power cables for GPUs obsolete

By Shawn Knight
Aug 22, 2016
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  1. It’s been nearly six years since the PCI Special Interest Group (PCI-SIG) released the base specification for PCIe 3.0. With its successor just around the bend, interest in the new specification is certainly heating up in the hardware community.

    Update (8/25): Earlier this week we reported on the upcoming PCI Express 4.0 standard, with information from Tom's Hardware suggesting the updated specification would support up to 300 watts of power through the PCIe slot. It turns out this information was inaccurate. More information here.

    You’ve likely heard by now that PCIe 4.0 will offer up 16 gigatransfers per second (GTps), up from just eight afforded by today’s standard. That’s in addition to a host of other changes to enhance efficiency but it’s a new revelation regarding power delivery that has people talking today.

    As you may know, the PCIe 3.0 specification is certified for up to 75 watts of power delivery through the connector. That’s usually enough for most add-in cards although higher-end graphics cards demand far more juice which comes via dedicated lines straight from the power supply.

    With PCIe 4.0, the PCI-SIG is significantly boosting the amount of power supplied to the slot. In an interview with Tom’s Hardware, PCI-SIG Vice President Richard Solomon said PCIe 4.0 would deliver a minimum of 300 watts via its slot and perhaps as much as 500 watts. That means you could run today’s most demanding GPUs without the need for dedicated power cables, resulting in a tidy installation with less airflow restriction.

    It’s also worth mentioning that the new connector will be backward compatible with PCIe 3.0 cards although newer PCIe 4.0-compliant cards can’t be used on older PCIe 3.0 boards.

    Solomon also detailed a new standard called OCuLink that’ll facilitate the use of high-end graphics cards and solid state drives both inside and outside of a PC (think of it as PCIe-over-cable).

    The final PCIe 4.0 specification should be completed by the end of the year.

    Images courtesy Tom's Hardware

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  2. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    Wow 300-500watt

    what is that going to do for power consumption of the motherboard itself?
     
  3. madboyv1

    madboyv1 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,333   +267

    Not sure what that server board has to do with PCIe 4.0 or why Toms Hardware included it in their story to begin with. It has more to do with the server line of the upcoming Zen processors, as that motherboard was used as a showcase apparently: https://www.tomshw.it/news/amd-naples-32-core-zen-e-64-thread-per-il-mondo-server-79377

    It'll be nice to have a couple less cables traveling through the case (and instead going into the motherboard), but delivering an additional 225-425 watts of power through the connector sounds kind of scary. QC for motherboard power delivery will have to be much tighter ha ha ha...
     
  4. amstech

    amstech TechSpot Enthusiast Posts: 1,455   +606

    Is it normal to get horny when you read articles like this?
     
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  5. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    No that isn't normal at all.

    Time to seek professional help :)
     
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  6. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,558   +598

    That's great news. I'm tired of playing cable management and that's a good start to getting rid of cables altogether.
     
  7. treeski

    treeski TS Evangelist Posts: 962   +205

    I see the spec should be completed by the end of the year. Any hint of when we might start seeing new hardware on the market that implements it?
     
  8. MoeJoe

    MoeJoe TS Maniac Posts: 399   +207

    It's about time.
     
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  9. Sniped_Ash

    Sniped_Ash TS Maniac Posts: 253   +108

    I'm not sure I want that much power going through the motherboard. Video card power cables are not a big deal.
     
  10. MoeJoe

    MoeJoe TS Maniac Posts: 399   +207

    Really? L M A O

    Back to liberal arts college with you ...
     
  11. yRaz

    yRaz TS Evangelist Posts: 1,898   +941

    Or you could give him an answer instead of insulting him.
     
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  12. MoeJoe

    MoeJoe TS Maniac Posts: 399   +207

    Triggered !?!
     
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  13. yRaz

    yRaz TS Evangelist Posts: 1,898   +941

    That the best you can do? This is a tech website where we discuss technology. If you're going to insult someone at least be witty about it. I think you were just eager to use those "insults"
     
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  14. Phr3d

    Phr3d TS Booster Posts: 240   +43

    Yeah, my liberal arts ed is overwhelmed as well -- one thing heavy cables do well is transfer a Lot o' power, but better minds than mine are saying that passing up to 500 more Watts through traces is going to be ok as well.
    As mobos have Famously failed in the past due to cost-savings, etc., it does make me go hmm..
    wish DBZ still posted, I'd like to hear their take..
     
  15. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,554   +2,897

    My guess would be the GPU connectors will be adapted and moved to the motherboard, Initially. Then the PSU connection will be altered to accommodate the extra 1500W's the PCIe slots may or may not need. If you ask me, I think things are fine the way they are. Power delivery is fine for the mass majority, no need in changing anything.
     
  16. Win7Dev

    Win7Dev TS Evangelist Posts: 563   +173

    Absolutely nothing at all. It's kind of the same idea as asking how much power an extension cord uses. It's so insignificant for the use case that it's just disregarded.
     
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  17. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    This was the answer I was looking for.

    lol for the guy that insulted me I'm very well aware it isn't going to be 300watts + Board power. And obviously they will have to beef up power delivery components on the board.

    And for the rest that commented nicely thank you. I've been on the internet for 20 years random insults don't do anything to me I have a lot thicker skin than that.
     
  18. MoeJoe

    MoeJoe TS Maniac Posts: 399   +207

    Triggered !! confirmed.
     
  19. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,554   +2,897

    Troll !! confirmed.
     
  20. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    Trolling and maybe 12 but whatever some people have nothing better to do with their time.
     
  21. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,554   +2,897

    Ohh they had other things to do, like trolling my profile and getting reported for it.
     
  22. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    lol why am I not surprised at all.
     
  23. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 1,902   +528

    If they really finish this year then we might see some high end motherboards as soon as Q1-Q2 2017 and more mainstream stuff late 2017 early 2018. it also depends on if amd and nvidia have some cards ready in 2017.
     
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  24. yRaz

    yRaz TS Evangelist Posts: 1,898   +941

    But I'm the resident troll....
     
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  25. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,102   +345

    He is a Usurper, you better defend your throne.
     
    cliffordcooley likes this.

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