Rockstar tells employees to get back in the office full time, partly to stop more GTA...

[axiomatic13]

And here we have a person so zealously anxious to hate NVidia, they failed to realize the store is about a different company entirely.

EDIT: I meant Rockstar, I had a brain fart because I was updating my drivers at the time. Regardless, I love Nvidia? I have many GPUs, and I am heavily invested in their stock. I designed servers for their GPUs for HPE for 28 years. I was referring to the fact that ROCKSTAR are scapegoating WFH for something totally unrelated to WFH.

 

[Endymio]

EDIT: I meant Rockstar, I had a brain fart because I was updating my drivers at the time... I was referring to the fact that ROCKSTAR are scapegoating WFH for something totally unrelated to WFH.

Fair enough; I withdraw the allegation.

Regarding your primary point, while "blame" is a slippery term, the fact remains that, when you have WFH employees, you must enable remote access, which vastly expands the attack surface for a hacker.

Personally, though I no longer have a dog in this fight, I am interested in seeing how the entire WFH debate plays out. While dedicated professional do tend to be as much or even more productive in such an environment, there's a whole host of other workers that struggle badly in such a millieu.

 

[FaTaL]

with all the AI talk going on, some of the employees working from home must be asking themselves if they want to move their family for a job they might lose In a few years anyway, or straight up find work in a different sector.

That's been around forever.... and is a weak point to justify the entire work from home mentality. I work from home but have to now go back into the office or else I'm not eligible for pay increases.

Anyone leaving an otherwise solid job because they don't want to go to back into the office..... leave...if you were stupid enough to make permanent adjustments to your lifestyle because you thought work from home was going to be in perpetuity, well.. thats life in the NFL... 8 billion people on this planet, you are NOT special. Someone else can do your job equal or better than you.

 

[bviktor]

What ever makes them think that bringing people back to the office will end the leaks? And how do we know it isn't the company doing the leaking to promote the game???

Which do you think is harder?

a) leaking from a company computer, on a company network, with employees and cameras watching
b) leaking from your own computer, on your own network, in your home

 

[bviktor]

I find Nvidia's implication that their security issues are due to work from home employees laughable.

That's only because you most likely have never worked in IT, or infosec, and have no idea how DLP works.

 

[lonetac]

Which do you think is harder?

a) leaking from a company computer, on a company network, with employees and cameras watching
b) leaking from your own computer, on your own network, in your home

If the company is letting you work from your own computer when you wfh, they have failed to enforce proper security.

Do you know what DLP is? Its not hard to implement controls to prevent data from escaping a locked down system that is using VPN as VPN would be required to access any company assets.

Many companies do this and its just about not being lazy on your impelementation. I work for a financial company and unless you know what I know as someone who helps implement these things, its very difficult to get something off your laptop and unto your personal computer.

Now recording the screen with your phone is another problem that really doesnt have an answer but you could get away with that in an office as well.

 

[lonetac]

Anyone leaving an otherwise solid job because they don't want to go to back into the office..... leave...if you were stupid enough to make permanent adjustments to your lifestyle because you thought work from home was going to be in perpetuity, well.. thats life in the NFL... 8 billion people on this planet, you are NOT special. Someone else can do your job equal or better than you.

The part that folks like you always fail to realize with your condescension and elitist attitude is top IT talent doesnt have to settle for anything. They dictated the terms of their work and dont need to resort to being a bottom feeder office worker.

its not about being special, its about bringing talent to a company that a company wants. What most of these companies mandating return to office has found out, top talent leaves and goes to companies that allow it. They dont have to settle for anything. In a sense, they are special.

Good companies can gauge a good employee remotely using metrics and objectives. If you need your employee in the office to determine if they are effective, you are **** manager.

And wfh is perpetual for lots of IT roles and positions now. Our company is global and we supported remote prior to covid. Guess what, we have like 30 years of continual profit every single quarter. No issues with remote work.

The only problem with remote work are the folks who cant handle it and thats fair. Some people just dont work well in that instance.

The anti work from home folks are just jealous nancys who want the rest of the world to be miserable like them or just need to be in an office because they cant handle wfh.

I've spent a good portion of my life commuting 5 hours plus a day to an office location that to live in would need 4 full time incomes as the companies always put their offices in very expensive to live locations, never again. If they paid me a livable wage to work close to the office, I might consider it. But they dont need to. I have no worries, I don't need to. I will get a job instantly if anything happens given my skill set and it will still be remote. That's a good thing for people like me an many others, you don't have to hate folks because they have secured a better living standard. You should be supporting them unless you are one of those insecure managers that needs to hover over your employees shoulder because you are completely incapable of being a good manager.

 

[erickmendes]

If the company is letting you work from your own computer when you wfh, they have failed to enforce proper security.

Do you know what DLP is? Its not hard to implement controls to prevent data from escaping a locked down system that is using VPN as VPN would be required to access any company assets.

Many companies do this and its just about not being lazy on your impelementation. I work for a financial company and unless you know what I know as someone who helps implement these things, its very difficult to get something off your laptop and unto your personal computer.

Now recording the screen with your phone is another problem that really doesnt have an answer but you could get away with that in an office as well.

Also you can just leak details talking about them... Comparing the graphics/gameplay/whatever to other games, leaking system requirements, installation size along phone camera...

 

[axiomatic13]

That's only because you most likely have never worked in IT, or infosec, and have no idea how DLP works.

28 years designing servers to be used for HPC for HPE. I WFH for a great deal of it. Rockstar has shitty IT. Stop making stupid allegations?

 

[Endymio]

If the company is letting you work from your own computer when you wfh, they have failed to enforce proper security.,,, its very difficult to get something off your laptop and unto your personal computer.

In the privacy of your own home? No, it's trivial. Remove drive; copy contents, replace drive. If the drive is encrypted, there are other, more circuitous routes that are practical only outside the office, away from prying eyes.

In any case, you're ignoring the elephant in the room. WFH employees require remote access. Without remote access, no remote hacker will ever penetrate your system.

Also you can just leak details talking about them... Comparing the graphics/gameplay/whatever to other games, leaking system requirements

LOL, you're comparing a leak of a game's entire codebase and assets, to some anonymous report that claims, "I heard the game sucks, and its system requirements are really high"? If so, you came to this gunfight with nothing but a feather duster.

 

[BogdanR]

Man you are chasing me today uh? ... Everything I post you make some argument against even if anyone can see that it's just a joke.

You’re not alone Erick. He’s around, looking for arguments. I will start ignoring him.

 

[BogdanR]

Which do you think is harder?

a) leaking from a company computer, on a company network, with employees and cameras watching
b) leaking from your own computer, on your own network, in your home

My work is hybrid and due to the complexity of the solid models/ assemblies I generate/work with using something relatively simple to safeguard, like laptop on VPN, is out of the question. However copying anything from the company’s systems on the “personal” side of my home workstation is impossible. I’m not even able to copy simple public internet links from my work Teams account to Chrome on my iPad. There are ways to safeguard company data regardless of the device used to access and the location of the said device. My company is anal retentive with respect of security and access.

I imagine Rockstar could do the same, I mean my company is not even tech related and they are doing it.

 

[Bartie Musa]

Bartie Musa - I think the GTA VI leaks is a smokescreen, if someone is going to leak they are going to leak one way or another. A lot of companies are doing RTO mandates and that's that.

 

[lonetac]

My work is hybrid and due to the complexity of the solid models/ assemblies I generate/work with using something relatively simple to safeguard, like laptop on VPN, is out of the question. However copying anything from the company’s systems on the “personal” side of my home workstation is impossible. I’m not even able to copy simple public internet links from my work Teams account to Chrome on my iPad. There are ways to safeguard company data regardless of the device used to access and the location of the said device. My company is anal retentive with respect of security and access.

I imagine Rockstar could do the same, I mean my company is not even tech related and they are doing it.

Exactly my point.

In the privacy of your own home? No, it's trivial. Remove drive; copy contents, replace drive. If the drive is encrypted, there are other, more circuitous routes that are practical only outside the office, away from prying eyes.

In any case, you're ignoring the elephant in the room. WFH employees require remote access. Without remote access, no remote hacker will ever penetrate your system.


LOL, you're comparing a leak of a game's entire codebase and assets, to some anonymous report that claims, "I heard the game sucks, and its system requirements are really high"? If so, you came to this gunfight with nothing but a feather duster.

What you are describing is anything but trivial. If you are copying an encrypted hard drive and trying to crack the encryption you are beyond calling something trivial.

 

[Endymio]

What you are describing is anything but trivial. If you are copying an encrypted hard drive and trying to crack the encryption you are beyond calling something trivial.

Oops! Except we're not discussing brute-force decrypting a random drive, but your own work laptop -- meaning you're already able to decrypt that data. Any software-only DLP solution is rather easily circumventable if you have unrestricted access to the hardware (as in the privacy of your own home). There are proprietary hardware solutions for which this isn't true -- but I doubt Rockstar wishes to pay to provide all their employees with such, when they can simply keep them in the office instead.

 

[lonetac]

Oops! Except we're not discussing brute-force decrypting a random drive, but your own work laptop -- meaning you're already able to decrypt that data. Any software-only DLP solution is rather easily circumventable if you have unrestricted access to the hardware (as in the privacy of your own home). There are proprietary hardware solutions for which this isn't true -- but I doubt Rockstar wishes to pay to provide all their employees with such, when they can simply keep them in the office instead.

Oops, you forgot TPM exists!

 

[Endymio]

Oops, you forgot TPM exists!

From Pulse Security:

"... You can sniff BitLocker keys in the default config, from either a TPM1.2 or TPM2.0 device, using a dirt cheap FPGA (~$40NZD) and publicly available code..."

 

[lonetac]

From Pulse Security:

"... You can sniff BitLocker keys in the default config, from either a TPM1.2 or TPM2.0 device, using a dirt cheap FPGA (~$40NZD) and publicly available code..."

BitLocker isnt the only option.

And again, that is beyond trivial.

 

[Disiw]

Lets see if this will have a 30 fps cap on PS5 and XSX on release. I expect PS5 Pro will be needed for 60 fps and the PC release will be the ultimate edition 1-2 years later.

 

[Endymio]

BitLocker isnt the only option.

And again, that is beyond trivial.

No one said it was trivial. I stated that circumventing software DRM on an unencrypted drive was trivial, whereas even on an encrypted drive it can be done in a somewhat more complicated manner. And whether it's BitLocker or any other tool, as long as the end user has indirect access to the decryption keys (which they must for the machine to be useable) then they can acquire direct access as well.

 

[lonetac]

No one said it was trivial. I stated that circumventing software DRM on an unencrypted drive was trivial, whereas even on an encrypted drive it can be done in a somewhat more complicated manner. And whether it's BitLocker or any other tool, as long as the end user has indirect access to the decryption keys (which they must for the machine to be useable) then they can acquire direct access as well.

You said it was trivial. Let me quote you so you can keep up with what you are peddling.

In the privacy of your own home? No, it's trivial. Remove drive; copy contents, replace drive. If the drive is encrypted, there are other, more circuitous routes that are practical only outside the office, away from prying eyes.

All you have described is if you have all the decryption keys you can decrypt the drive, well duh.
Gee, yes if you have everything you need to circumvent encryption you can circumvent encryption. You are not expressing anything shocking or not known by every security professional in the world.

 

[Endymio]

You said it was trivial. Let me quote you so you can keep up with what you are peddling.

Sorry; is English not your native language? I said it's trivial *if* the drive isn't encrypted, and specifically stated it was "more complicated" if the drive was encrypted.

All you have described is if you have all the decryption keys you can decrypt the drive, well duh.

And if you can decrypt the drive, you can access all the data on it. DRM circumvented.

As you say, "well, duh."

 

[lonetac]

Sorry; is English not your native language? I said it's trivial *if* the drive isn't encrypted, and specifically stated it was "more complicated" if the drive was encrypted.

And if you can decrypt the drive, you can access all the data on it. DRM circumvented.

As you say, "well, duh."

I said the drive was encrypted and mentioned TPM but here we are. No point in further discussing with you, I know your type.

Please stop giving security advice.

You feel that its a gotchya that if you have the decryption keys you can decrypt the drive, its like you are just straw maning here to make it sound like you know what you are talking about.

 

[Endymio]

I said the drive was encrypted and mentioned TPM but here we are. No point in further discussing with you, I know your type.

Please stop giving security advice.

You feel that its a gotchya that if you have the decryption keys you can decrypt the drive, its like you are just straw maning here to make it sound like you know what you are talking about.

I'm not sure how much simpler I can explain it. Software DRM is far more circumventable at home, away from prying eyes, than it is in an office environment, where people are likely to ask why you're disassembling your work laptop during working hours. Why are you trying to deny the reality here?

 

[Disiw]

Rockstar will do the usual...

2025 - "30 fps with dips" release, late in the console generation (hopefully PS5 Pro and updated Xbox will do 60)

2026 - PC release

2028 - Remaster for Next Gen consoles

Instead of 1 sale per buyer, they aim for 3 + GTA Online milking on the side


GTA5 came out in the dying age of PS3 and Xbox 360, terrible performance. It was almost like they rushed GTA5 out before PS4 and Xbox One launched. (PS4 launched 2 months later)

Same with RDR2, came out very late in PS4 and Xbox One generation.

Now they do the same with GTA6.