Russia slams HP for closing local website, claims world is boycotting the company

[thehacker]

HP is a US company… and the US dictated that they needed to stop doing business with Russia. It’s kind of cut and dried here… don’t blame HP for this - blame Russia’s inability to maintain cordial relations with the west.

Updated: That's my whole point! If these companies are unbiased, why don't the companies contest US sanctions in court, maybe ICJ? Or UN? That US is misusing its power in this regard and they want to continue business in Russia if they are so true to their policy of being unbiased?

And HP is one example and we can say it is kind of cut and dry for HP. But what about other corporations who were eager to exit Russia and take sides? I am pretty sure those companies would have unbiasness policy as well.

The world needs to know this explicitly that these corporations will act as per the govt of the country they are based out of, even if they have a significant business in another country. Tomorrow if US is not happy with India or China, these corporations will act on that as well.

 

[Squid Surprise]

So you are accepting that since HP is a US company, it will do what the west says? So all the unbiasedness policies these corporations claim to have are just plain BS? That's my whole point! If these companies are unbiased, why don't they contest US sanctions in court, maybe ICJ.

The world needs to know this loud and clear that these corporations will act as per the govt of the country they are based out of, even if they have a significant business in another country. Tomorrow if US is not happy with India or China, these corporations will act on that as well.

Why should they be unbiased? They are responsible to their stockholders and their goal is to make as much money for them as possible.

They clearly came to the conclusion that this was the path to the greatest long term profits - as facing a legal dispute or sanctions from the US and/or other western nations would be far costlier than cutting Russia out.

Russia has simply become unprofitable for US corporations until foreign policies change. Again, don’t invade a country backed by the US if you don’t want this type of stuff to happen.

 

[thehacker]

Again, don’t invade a country backed by the US if you don’t want this type of stuff to happen.

So if I read that correctly, US is the ultimate arbitrator or the ultimate bully/court for the world because it is economic superpower and by putting sanctions US very well can get what they want. Specially true for smaller and economically weaker countries. And the whole world should trust US for its decisions because it is a free and democratic country and would never sanction for personal gains. Yeah sounds right!

 

[Squid Surprise]

So if I read that correctly, US is the ultimate arbitrator or the ultimate bully/court for the world because it is economic superpower and by putting sanctions US very well can get what they want. Specially true for smaller and economically weaker countries. And the whole world should trust US for its decisions because it is a free and democratic country and would never sanction for personal gains. Yeah sounds right!

Well no… if Russia were to attack a China-backed nation I’m sure Huwai and any other Chinese companies would also be forced to boycott Russia…

The US happens to be the home of most of the biggest companies though…

Clearly, Putin felt that he could conquer/annex Ukraine fairly quickly and then the US, faced with either fighting a costly war to get it back or simply giving up on Ukraine would choose the latter.

What he didn’t realize was either the incompetence of his military or the aid the west would give Ukraine… or both…

Well, he is now sleeping in the bed he made. Don’t blame anyone but yourself Putin.

 

[thehacker]

Well no… if Russia were to attack a China-backed nation I’m sure Huwai and any other Chinese companies would also be forced to boycott Russia…

The US happens to be the home of most of the biggest companies though…

Clearly, Putin felt that he could conquer/annex Ukraine fairly quickly and then the US, faced with either fighting a costly war to get it back or simply giving up on Ukraine would choose the latter.

What he didn’t realize was either the incompetence of his military or the aid the west would give Ukraine… or both…

Well, he is now sleeping in the bed he made. Don’t blame anyone but yourself Putin.

Again you are diverting the topic to Putin and his failed plan.

Yes Chinese companies would have to do the same. But since US has the most no. of global companies, this gives US undue advantage to dictate the terms. And the world is left with no choice than to accept the US terms and hope that what they are doing is for the greater good and not personal greed. But if you are one of those companies, should you contest these sanctions in ICJ or with WTO/UN or not? This WILL interest your investors because you are fighting for more business. Yes the legal cost might be too high, but then comes the ethics to let one country dictate terms.

HP is just one example, what about the other companies who were eager to exit Russia even before the sanctions? Why did they take a side when all of these companies claim to be unbiased? On humanitarian grounds? Then this circle backs to the initial point I had, then why not curtail operations in US and move to another country when they invaded Iraq? Maybe not as drastic actions as against Russia, but atleast some against US for this? But there was none.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Again you are diverting the topic to Putin and his failed plan.

Yes Chinese companies would have to do the same. But since US has the most no. of global companies, this gives US undue advantage to dictate the terms. And the world is left with no choice than to accept the US terms and hope that what they are doing is for the greater good and not personal greed. But if you are one of those companies, should you contest these sanctions in ICJ or with WTO/UN or not? This WILL interest your investors because you are fighting for more business. Yes the legal cost might be too high, but then comes the ethics to let one country dictate terms.

HP is just one example, what about the other companies who were eager to exit Russia even before the sanctions? Why did they take a side when all of these companies claim to be unbiased? On humanitarian grounds? Then this circle backs to the initial point I had, then why not curtail operations in US and move to another country when they invaded Iraq? Maybe not as drastic actions as against Russia, but atleast some against US for this? But there was none.

I’m not diverting anything… you are… you keep going on about how the US is the big bad bully here…
I won’t defend past US foreign policy - they are certainly not saints - but this is about HP withdrawing from Russia.

Therefore, Putin is certainly relevant in this conversation! Why would HP (or any other company) launch an appeal to an international court? First of all, those are all jokes (ask the Middle East how useful the UN has been since 1948) and second of all - why would you think that Russia has any sort of moral high ground over the US?

Bad as the US might be - Russia is worse on several orders of magnitude. If HP was a Russian company and decided to continue business in the US, their CEO and Board would be in a Siberian gulag - or dead.

 

[thehacker]

I’m not diverting anything… you are… you keep going on about how the US is the big bad bully here…
I won’t defend past US foreign policy - they are certainly not saints - but this is about HP withdrawing from Russia.

Therefore, Putin is certainly relevant in this conversation! Why would HP (or any other company) launch an appeal to an international court? First of all, those are all jokes (ask the Middle East how useful the UN has been since 1948) and second of all - why would you think that Russia has any sort of moral high ground over the US?

Bad as the US might be - Russia is worse on several orders of magnitude. If HP was a Russian company and decided to continue business in the US, their CEO and Board would be in a Siberian gulag - or dead.

I am not diverting it. I am sticking to my point of calling out hypocrisy of the west and these companies to claim that they are unbiased, for greater good and are not for greed or politically inclined. No matter how many allegations you put on Russia, that is the truth. The moment west thinks their supremacy is being challenged, they start creating trouble in the region to destabilise it to maintain their status quo. They think they are the arbitrators for the the world, and unfortunately they have got the economic backing due to such spineless hypocritic corporations to give them that power. Putin or no Putin, that is the truth.

 

[thehacker]

I’m not diverting anything… you are… you keep going on about how the US is the big bad bully here…
I won’t defend past US foreign policy - they are certainly not saints - but this is about HP withdrawing from Russia.

Therefore, Putin is certainly relevant in this conversation! Why would HP (or any other company) launch an appeal to an international court? First of all, those are all jokes (ask the Middle East how useful the UN has been since 1948) and second of all - why would you think that Russia has any sort of moral high ground over the US?

Bad as the US might be - Russia is worse on several orders of magnitude. If HP was a Russian company and decided to continue business in the US, their CEO and Board would be in a Siberian gulag - or dead.

And no matter how bad Russia is, you cannot justify US facing NO consequences for Iraq war and Russia facing so many consequences and boycott. Russia became a bigger villain after Ukraine war, US remained what it was after Iraq war. This is sheer hypocrisy of the west and these corporations.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I am not diverting it. I am sticking to my point of calling out hypocrisy of the west and these companies to claim that they are unbiased, for greater good and are not for greed or politically inclined. No matter how many allegations you put on Russia, that is the truth. The moment west thinks their supremacy is being challenged, they start creating trouble in the region to destabilise it to maintain their status quo. They think they are the arbitrators for the the world, and unfortunately they have got the economic backing due to such spineless hypocritic corporations to give them that power. Putin or no Putin, that is the truth.

You’re sticking to YOUR point… which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread… and it’s so wrong

Can you find some evidence that HP (or any other company) have claimed they’re unbiased?

 

[thehacker]

You’re sticking to YOUR point… which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread… and it’s so wrong

Can you find some evidence that HP (or any other company) have claimed they’re unbiased?

Why don't you do your own research and go through their policies? If you have been a part of any of these corporations, you would have definitely comes across the policies that mentions that as an employee of these companies you are not supposed to take a stand/comment on political/geopolitical matters. These companies promote equality, inclusivity, ethics in their policy but do not follow it themselves?

No wonder why deglobalization is happening.

And since you are asking for evidence, why don't you first provide evidence for whatever you have claimed so far - against Russia or Putin or anything else. All I read was allegations without any evidence.