Russia warns that SpaceX Starlink satellites could become a "legitimate target"

[Endymio]

Wrong again? You should read up more on advanced weaponry. Including Bradly's and better aircraft, etc

If by "Bradly", you mean the M2 Bradley, this forty-year old vehicle is hardly a shining example of the advanced weaponry you claim we're withholding. Nor would it even be terribly useful to Ukraine in the type of urban-defense warfare they're conducting. The conflict in Ukraine has validated the long-held assumption that the role of MBTs and IFVs in modern warfare is essentially over. Abrams and Bradleys were terrific in the deserts of Iraq a few decades ago ... but this isn't then.

... Tactical or not the US/Nato have plenty of Nukes to deal with Russia.

You fail to understand the situation. There is a clear demarcation between tactical and strategic weapons. Tactical nukes kill troops -- strategic ones kill millions of civilians. If Russia detonates a couple low-yield tactical nukes in Ukraine, do you honestly believe the US is going to commit mass suicide by a mass launch of ICBMs into the Russian heartland?

 

[fps4ever]

If by "Bradly", you mean the M2 Bradley, this forty-year old vehicle is hardly a shining example of the advanced weaponry you claim we're withholding. Nor would it even be terribly useful to Ukraine in the type of urban-defense warfare they're conducting. The conflict in Ukraine has validated the long-held assumption that the role of MBTs and IFVs in modern warfare is essentially over. Abrams and Bradleys were terrific in the deserts of Iraq a few decades ago ... but this isn't then.

You fail to understand the situation. There is a clear demarcation between tactical and strategic weapons. Tactical nukes kill troops -- strategic ones kill millions of civilians. If Russia detonates a couple low-yield tactical nukes in Ukraine, do you honestly believe the US is going to commit mass suicide by a mass launch of ICBMs into the Russian heartland?

And yet Bradly's would still wipe the floor with the old T tanks. Ukraine knows how to use tanks for other things than rocket/artillery fodder. Recently the equipment being sent for the first time includes 40 heavily armored MaxxPro mine-resistant vehicles. Also new are TOW guided anti-tank missile systems. Its good you didn't bring up more modern aircraft, patriot's or Himars with more range and capabilities. Ukraine is also getting better armor that isn't filled with paper, sand or missing necessary materials. And I'm not missing the point, if Russia attempts to use tactical nukes all bets are off. A nuke is a nuke and the world would react accordingly. You seem to be pushing the Russian agenda...hmmm

 

[toooooot]

If I live to see Russia fall apart again, I will selebrate it. Filthy regime that in 30 years of existence brought nothing but mysery for its own dwellers and now extending suffering to the neighbors.
Plz plz plz, don't help it when it starts falling apart. Just take away their rusty nukes and wish the best before departing.

 

[Endymio]

And yet Bradly's would still wipe the floor with the old T tanks...Its good you didn't bring up more modern aircraft, patriot's or Himars

Bradleys are not tanks, we're already sending HIMARS, and the "more modern aircraft" fall into the long-range weapons category that I already alluded to. And since Russia's bombardment campaign is primarily based on artillery and supersonic cruise missiles -- neither of which Patriot batteries are particularly effective at -- why would we send any?

In any case, you're undercutting your own case. If Russia is losing so badly, why does Ukraine need vast quantities of more advanced weaponry?

if Russia attempts to use tactical nukes all bets are off.

While that's comfortably vague, it's not a valid answer. If Russia does, do you believe the West will launch ICBMs and commit nuclear suicide? Or will NATO send its own troops into nuclear fire with only conventional-weapon backup. Be specific.

You seem to be pushing the Russian agenda...hmmm

Accusing others of being a secret Russian agent didn't work for Hillary. It's certainly not going to work for you.

 

[fps4ever]

Bradleys are not tanks, we're already sending HIMARS, and the "more modern aircraft" fall into the long-range weapons category that I already alluded to. And since Russia's bombardment campaign is primarily based on artillery and supersonic cruise missiles -- neither of which Patriot batteries are particularly effective at -- why would we send any?

In any case, you're undercutting your own case. If Russia is losing so badly, why does Ukraine need vast quantities of more advanced weaponry?

While that's comfortably vague, it's not a valid answer. If Russia does, do you believe the West will launch ICBMs and commit nuclear suicide? Or will NATO send its own troops into nuclear fire with only conventional-weapon backup. Be specific.

Accusing others of being a secret Russian agent didn't work for Hillary. It's certainly not going to work for you.

If you think they couldn't use patriot's you haven't been paying attention to the war. HIMARS can fire different kinds of rockets than what Ukraine currently has. You left out M270 MLRS plus some of the best attack/reconnaissance drones out there. And Russia seems more intent on bombing civilian targets and random shelling like shopping centers. You seem to be pushing the tactical nuke agenda hard. How the world reacts to the use of them is beyond this discussion. I'm pretty sure that would be one of the last orders Putin gives. His own people are on the verge of revolting. And I never accused you of being a Russian agent. Just hinted at a Russian agenda pusher/influencer. Now we know for sure. If you think you know what's going on a I can pm you a link of just how bad it is going for RU in an up to the minute forum thread of the conflict. It has plenty of current and former military personal members posting constantly with tweets from the front lines. Otherwise I'm out...

 

[3volv3d]

If WW3 starts because of that pillock I will be very annoyed

Which pillock?
Oh yeah, Musk, he is a doofus.
He thinks the world is in danger from depopulation, *****.
But those starlink things, all over the place, seems safe for space travel. Dinking into all them, as they try heading to Mars.
I bet the anime Planetes, becomes a thing, all the space-bin-persons, collecting up his old link debris.

But in all honesty, if he doesn't kick off, then we will all reach 2050, and find out, that electric cars changed nothing, all companies failed to achieve 0 carbon, cancer is still kickin ***, 50% of the population have no work due to robotics, which then AI will fail, and the robots will destroy 75% of the populous.
The remaining 25% will escape on Elon-g Travel, headed for Mars, but in their haste crash into star link sats, as the guidance systems are on the fritz from all the forest fires due to global warming.
But racism is over, we are all black now, due to 3 decades of heatwaves.

Always a silver lining

 

[emmzo]

Wrong again. Javelins, Sentinel air-defense radars, Switchblade drones, and HIMARS mobile rocket launchers are the most advanced in their category. The only weapons NATO isn't sending are long-range systems that Ukraine would use to strike the Russian heartland. NATO wisely realizes that this would likely result in a nuclear escalation. Russia has some 2,000 tactical and op-tac nuclear weapons -- NATO has zero.

And before, you repeat the mantra that "Putin would never use these", realize there is a reason that, after the breakup of the USSR, Russia kept more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world combined. Standard doctrine since the 1950s has been that these weapons would be reserved to 'defend the heartland'.

They kept a very large arsenal, but how much of that is operational or ready to go on moment's notice is not clear. Also, they are not authorized by law to strike, unless the Motherland is in peril. Even then, the US will respond in kind and most likely, will wipe Russia off the map first, but it wouldn't matter much anyway, as the fallout will destroy the rest of the world. And that's why is called MAD. There's no winners. So, everything is just empty threats. Nukes are only a deterrent. And Putin knows this aswell, he is not insane.

 

[Endymio]

If you think they couldn't use patriot's you haven't been paying attention to the war. HIMARS can fire different kinds of rockets than what Ukraine currently has.

So your theory is that Ukraine can use Patriot batteries to shoot down its own HIMARS rockets? Because they sure won't be striking the artillery shells and cruise missiles that Russia is currently depending on.

Russia seems more intent on bombing civilian targets and random shelling like shopping centers.

Yes, if you believe the Ukrainian MoD, Russia only targets old ladies, pregnant women, and orphans carrying kittens.

Of course, this is the same agency that told us months ago we had "8 hours" to prevent Russia from intentionally detonating a nuclear reactor, that they had killed "400 assassins" sent after Zelensky -- but had not one body or photo as evidence -- and that Russia had given their delegates to the peace talks a deadly poison ... but that they were "too busy" to seek medical attention or even to take a simple blood test. I could list hundreds of other absurd propaganda pieces, but you'll believe what you wish to believe regardless.

Putin's own people are on the verge of revolting.

Stuff and nonsense.

Forbes: "Russian President Vladimir Putin has his highest approval rating among Russians since September 2017, according to a poll released by the independent Levada Center, indicating popularity back home for the Russian leader soared while he was widely criticized abroad for the [war in Ukraine]...."

If you think you know what's going on a I can pm you a link of just how bad it is going for RU in an up to the minute forum thread of the conflict. It has plenty of current and former military personal members posting constantly

Actually, as someone who was born in the former Soviet Union, and who (until recently) did business in and regularly visited Ukraine, Russia, and many of the surrounding regions, I'm well aware of what's happening there -- and, more importantly, how much it differs from what the US press reports.

 

[fps4ever]

So your theory is that Ukraine can use Patriot batteries to shoot down its own HIMARS rockets? Because they sure won't be striking the artillery shells and cruise missiles that Russia is currently depending on.

Yes, if you believe the Ukrainian MoD, Russia only targets old ladies, pregnant women, and orphans carrying kittens.

Of course, this is the same agency that told us months ago we had "8 hours" to prevent Russia from intentionally detonating a nuclear reactor, that they had killed "400 assassins" sent after Zelensky -- but had not one body or photo as evidence -- and that Russia had given their delegates to the peace talks a deadly poison ... but that they were "too busy" to seek medical attention or even to take a simple blood test. I could list hundreds of other absurd propaganda pieces, but you'll believe what you wish to believe regardless.

Stuff and nonsense.

Forbes: "Russian President Vladimir Putin has his highest approval rating among Russians since September 2017, according to a poll released by the independent Levada Center, indicating popularity back home for the Russian leader soared while he was widely criticized abroad for the [war in Ukraine]...."

Actually, as someone who was born in the former Soviet Union, and who (until recently) did business in and regularly visited Ukraine, Russia, and many of the surrounding regions, I'm well aware of what's happening there -- and, more importantly, how much it differs from what the US press reports.

States how much it's really different from the US press stories and then quotes Forbes on Putin's popularity lol. As stated I don't get my daily news on the war from any large news outlets. Especially Russian propaganda sites. All those stories of Russian invaders raping, civilian executions and pillaging from Frontline sources are just western lies I bet.

 

[Athlonite]

Maybe they'd like to explain how that differs from their own warplanes using GPS. Can't have it both ways...

Basically GPS was primarily for Military use they just allow civilian use which they could quite easily put a stop to if they so choose

 

[whateversa]

I guess Russia got tired of shooting up old age homes, schools, homes and children... But how is spacex satellite internet different from mobile network towers - they are also civilian infrastructure but usable by military. These Russian government people have absolutely no shame.

 

[whateversa]

States how much it's really different from the US press stories and then quotes Forbes on Putin's popularity lol. As stated I don't get my daily news on the war from any large news outlets. Especially Russian propaganda sites. All those stories of Russian invaders raping, civilian executions and pillaging from Frontline sources are just western lies I bet.

Russia has been doing these same crimes in Syria for a long time...They attack civilians to weaken the morale of the soldiers - basically punishing the soldiers for fighting... After they attack civilians, they wait for emergency responders, and then attack the emergency responders. Basically scum of the earth tactics...

 

[Lozzy]

Basically GPS was primarily for Military use they just allow civilian use which they could quite easily put a stop to if they so choose

You could say the exact same about the Internet though. It was conceived by DARPA for survivability in the event of a nuclear war, but that doesn't make it a military target, except in Putin's perverse mind.

 

[Endymio]

States how much it's really different from the US press stories and then quotes Forbes on Putin's popularity lol.

The figures on Putin's popularity are the same from European sources, and even higher from the Russian state-approved ones. Would you prefer those instead? The fact remains that the war boosted Putin's popularity, and your talk of "imminent revolution" is just absurd propaganda.

You could say the exact same about the Internet though. It was conceived by DARPA for survivability in the event of a nuclear war, but that doesn't make it a military target, except in Putin's perverse mind.

Russia is merely pointing out the obvious: if purportedly civilian infrastructure is being used for military purposes, it's a valid military target. A 'civilian' gathering information for the military isn't a civilian, and isn't entitled to civilian protections under the Geneva Convention.

 

[fps4ever]

The figures on Putin's popularity are the same from European sources, and even higher from the Russian state-approved ones. Would you prefer those instead? The fact remains that the war boosted Putin's popularity, and your talk of "imminent revolution" is just absurd propaganda.

Russia is merely pointing out the obvious: if purportedly civilian infrastructure is being used for military purposes, it's a valid military target. A 'civilian' gathering information for the military isn't a civilian, and isn't entitled to civilian protections under the Geneva Convention.

LOL wow...just pathetic. Its actually quite funny. Following this war closely I've seen dozens of posters like you. Trying to defend genocide. rape, war crimes, etc. all in the name of "liberation" by using that excuse to invade another country. It was an obvious lie. And they all eventually get called out for what they are. I'd suggest you stop digging.

 

[Endymio]

I can give you video/picture

I can give you videos/proof of Ukrainian troops committing war crimes, both from the Russian invasion and long before, in their decade-long civil war against the citizens of Donbas, which killed thousands of ethnic Russian civilians, and drove hundreds of thousands more from their homes. When the Ukranian ultranationalists seized power in Kiev, one of their first acts was to ban the country's ethnic Russian citizens from speaking their own language, from holding office, and -- most importantly of all -- from voting. When the 25% of the population most likely to vote against you no longer has that right to vote, you're essentially assured to remain in power.

That act was courtesy of Petro Poroshenko, the so-called "Butcher of Donbas", the former Ukrainian President who famously drove around in vehicles plastered with enormous placards of infamous Nazi sympathizer Stepan Bandera, his personal hero. Zelensky went further than that, with an outright ban on opposition political parties and all non state-run media. And-- when Biden took office-- he felt assured enough of NATO support to begin threatening to re-acquire nuclear weapons and attack Russia directly.

But let me guess, you believe this was an "entirely unprovoked war of aggression", don't you?

 

[fps4ever]

I can give you videos/proof of Ukrainian troops committing war crimes

But let me guess, you believe this was an "entirely unprovoked war of aggression", don't you?

Yes I do. Please provide proof from verified sources about Ukraine war crimes in this current war. Let me guess, Russians are actually the good guys here. The deflection and Russian justification is mind boggling.

 

[Endymio]

Yes I do. Please provide proof from verified sources about Ukraine war crimes in this current war.

Here's 3 instances out of many dozens:

Jerusalem Post: "According to the New York Times, Ukrainian soldiers are seen executing injured Russian soldiers on video"

NY Post: "Ukraine has vowed to investigate after graphic videos emerged purporting to show the horrific abuse of Russian prisoners of war..."

MSN News: "UN finds ‘credible allegations’ of torture by Ukraine soldiers against Russian invaders...."

Just yesterday Ukraine used one of the spanky new HIMARS missile launchers we sent them to destroy a civilian center in Donbas.

Oh, and to answer your late edit, there are no "good guys" in this war. And, in this proxy war the US is fighting, there will be no winners. Only losers on both sides. You can take that one to the bank.

 

[fps4ever]

Here's 3 instances out of many dozens:

Jerusalem Post: "According to the New York Times, Ukrainian soldiers are seen executing injured Russian soldiers on video"

NY Post: "Ukraine has vowed to investigate after graphic videos emerged purporting to show the horrific abuse of Russian prisoners of war..."

MSN News: "UN finds ‘credible allegations’ of torture by Ukraine soldiers against Russian invaders...."

Just yesterday Ukraine used one of the spanky new HIMARS missile launchers we sent them to destroy a civilian center in Donbas.

Oh, and to answer your late edit, there are no "good guys" in this war. And, in this proxy war the US is fighting, there will be no winners. Only losers on both sides. You can take that one to the bank.

So you claim don't believe western media yet quotes western media. And Ukraine is doing war things against the same soldiers that are trying to eradicate their people, its culture and take their land away. Like you said its war. That civilian center hit is bullcrap...

Russian War Crimes so far

 

[Endymio]

So you claim don't believe western media yet quotes western media.

You asked for Western sources confirming Ukrainian war crimes. I gave them to you. And what I said was that I don't automatically believe a US source when it parrots a claim by the Ukrainian MoD, given their horrific track record of lying (As bad as Russian state media is, Ukraine's state media is much worse).

And Ukraine is doing war things against the same soldiers that are trying to eradicate their people

You have it in reverse. It's the Ukrainian ultranationalists who are trying to eradicate the ethnic Russian Jews in Donbas. Which is why the civil war began in the first place. How do you justify a nation banning its largest ethnic minority from voting, holding political office, and even from speaking their own language. Would you support the US barring all Hispanics from voting or speaking Spanish?

 

[neeyik]

@Endymio and @fps4ever - please take your discussion to private messages.

 

[fps4ever]

You asked for Western sources confirming Ukraine war crimes. I gave them to you. And what I actually said was that I don't automatically believe a US source when it parrots a claim by the Ukrainian MoD, given their horrific track record of lying (As bad as Russian state media is, Ukraine's state media is much worse).

You have it in reverse. It's the Ukrainian ultranationalists who are trying to eradicate the ethnic Russian Jews in Donbas. Which is why the civil war began in the first place. How do you justify a nation banning its largest ethnic minority from voting, holding political office, and even from speaking their own language. Would you support the US barring all Hispanics from voting or speaking Spanish?

I asked for verified sources...so you believe news sources that follow your views and the rest of their articles are lies. Got it.

Sorry mod, I see your post and will do...

 

[wiyosaya]

In my opinion, the problem isn't the collective intelligence of the Russian people, so long as Putt Putt is at the helm.

Absolutely, I agree. Putin needs to be removed from office. He's not totally dumb and should plainly understand that a nuclear conflict will not end well for anyone.

He also needs to accept that the days of the USSR are long over. Perhaps now that he's essentially said that he is going to escalate the conflict, there will be massive protests that will not be easily quelled.

 

[kmo911]

Just turn of tha internet . no warrning. Dead line. starlink are encryted.