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Tales from the toolroom - the drive that came in from the cold

  1. Just in case someone did not know of this little trick - I had a client machine with a dying hard drive (sounded a bit like a chicken on speed) which sometimes refused to show up on the BIOS and would not allow access when it did show up.
    I put it in the freezer overnight at about -17C and in a waterproof bag: this morning I fired up the wksps machine with the drive and another new one attached. The supposedly dead drive was packed between two trays of ice to keep it as cold as possible for as long as possible - best I could do without liquid nitrogen. Ghosted the old to the new which took about 35 mins and it worked. I allowed the dead drive to warm up and once again it clucked away and refused to speak to anyone. Point made - this trick does work.
     
  2. bobcat

    bobcat TechSpot Paladin Posts: 688   +67

    Advice on HDD's

    The trick is worth noting, as it may come useful. In full sincerity, I didn’t know it and wouldn’t have suspected it, since motors generally don’t run smoothly at very low temperatures. Next time my car engine refuses to start on a cold winter morning, I’ll cover it with ice. ;)

    Furthermore, contrary to common belief, high temperatures don’t seem to harm the HD’s. In its extensive study on HDD failure, Google found that:
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    http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/

    I take the opportunity to also contribute some advice to users. Many "experts" recommend that the computer should not be switched off e.g. at night, to keep its temperature constant. This is bad medicine for the HDD, which needs the rest.
     
  3. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,668   +1,871

    These are more than likely the same "experts" that suggest not turning the computer off due to "thermal cycling" off the CPU, so that the thermal paste doesn't wear out.

    These "experts" are usually having their electric bill paid by their parents.
     
  4. Matthew

    Matthew TechSpot Staff Posts: 5,266   +92

    @bobcat and captaincranky: Not to mention the common theory that by frequently shutting down/turning on the PC, its components expand and contract, thus reducing the lifespan. Sounds somewhat logical but in reality, people so readily chuck their PCs after a year or two of use, what could any minor decrease in the length of life matter?

    Anyhow, I always enjoy reading your "Tales from the toolroom" posts, AlbertLionheart. :)
     
  5. Rage_3K_Moiz

    Rage_3K_Moiz Sith Lord Posts: 5,431   +28

    I've tried it numerous times, and it always works like a charm. The drive heads contract off the surface of the drive due to the cold, allowing you to read the info off easily.
     
  6. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 11,668   +1,871

    I'll just offer this as a testimonial, to what I'm not sure.

    I have an Emachine (Matx case) 1 90mm fan, with a Prescot P-4. It's approaching 4 1/2 years of age. The OEM HDD (WD160 SATA 1), the original mobo, Intel 915GAG, and OEM CPU cooler are all working just fine. So, maybe it's on borrowed time compared to the 2 year estimate, but I'm keeping it until it falls out from under me. Er......just not running 24/7, I have to pay the electric bills.
     
  7. LookinAround

    LookinAround Ex Tech Spotter Posts: 6,491   +183

    My 2cents...
    I've never had occasion to try this trick myself.. but i have seen others post (in TechSpot as well as other forums) doing the same and getting the same positive results. So I'd say is definitely something to remember and try if ever needed!
     
  8. werepossum

    werepossum TS Rookie Posts: 31

    I've used that trick several times with perhaps 1 in 3 or 4 success, not bad considering it's a last ditch attempt after software. One drive actually leaking metal shavings came back long enough to get the user's personal data. The tech who originally taught me that attributed its success to contracting the disk material (this was back when jostling the PC had a reasonable chance of head contacting disk, thereby creating a tiny burr.) I've also heard it attributed to contraction of ICs restoring continuity and to contracting bearings restoring the correct rotating speed (not a problem I'd think with today's disks which use embedded hardware for low level formatting.) I have no idea if any or all of these are correct, but it is sometimes useful and always worth trying if there's data worth spending some time recovering, but not worth the high cost of professional recovery. The sealed plastic bag tip is good too. I like to add a little desiccant or dry rice to soak up any moisture (which would expand when frozen) for a couple hours before the freezing, although I have no idea if either of these makes any real difference.

    Love the Tales from the toolroom, Al. Good stuff, thanks!
     
  9. TJGeezer

    TJGeezer TS Enthusiast Posts: 385   +10

    The highest failure rates occurred at more or less normal room temperatures, if I read the graph correctly. Is it possible a higher failure rate at higher temperatures was masked by the simple fact that most drives operate right around room temperature most of the time?

    The advice to avoid failures by keeping drives always on to avoid peeling the magnetic coating off the disk by repeated expansion and contraction - that made better sense when I first heard it in the mid-1980s, when a 20MB Seagate cost $250 and the tech was still new. *Everything* was less reliable in those days and you couldn't find a meaningful MTBF figure because everything failed all the time for any reason at all. It makes a LOT less sense now.
     

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