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Technology investor wants to split California into six separate states

By Shawn Knight
Dec 20, 2013
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  1. Technology investor Tim Draper has come up with a rather unique proposal that would split California, the third largest state in area but first in population, into six separate states. The “Six Californias” campaign will be submitted to the state’s...

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  2. veLa

    veLa TS Booster Posts: 510   +81

    What a joke.
    H3llion and psycros like this.
  3. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,980   +1,488

    Why not? If we wait long enough, California will be it own continent. LOL
  4. It sounds more like a way to increase the size of government and less likely to help the residents of California.
    wastedkill and psycros like this.
  5. Just break the whole US into about 10-12 different countries. People in NY have nothing in common with people from North or South Dakota.
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  6. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,069   +704

    Do we really need 5 more bankrupt states?

    Here's why it would never happen.. California is a liberal state, run by a liberal govt which has by far the most electoral votes. If they split up then those votes will split up. There would have to be some really huge benefits in order for CA to let that happen.

    To increase competition he says? What that means is, he thinks better tax policies in states close by would increase competition for these new states for businesses. Right now CA ranks #48 as a place to own a business from a tax standpoint (http://taxfoundation.org/article/2014-state-business-tax-climate-index), the only people who would want those taxes to go down are conservatives, and they don't have much influence in CA.

    That means this plan is a good dinnertime debate and that's about it.
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  7. psycros

    psycros TS Booster Posts: 714   +217

    You're dead on about the tax policies. Its all about staying in sunny SoCal without paying for the privilege. The corp HQ will be in the mini-state with the lowest taxes while the bulk of the employees will be in the surrounding ones. That will insure that the whole region supports your interests, thereby giving your company a majority voice in DC. Its so pathetically transparent only a Californian would've thought of it.
  8. Tekkaraiden

    Tekkaraiden TS Maniac Posts: 901   +52

    Does it still count when it's underwater?
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  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,980   +1,488

    Awe now, I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. Trying to think positive for a change. :)
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    Only some self serving narcissistic parasite, would even summon the hubris to suggest something like this.

    When you come down to it, one wonders why Steve Jobs never thought of it.

    Wait a few decades til dementia visits a god complex on him. Then he'll be spouting lunacy like, "let's see if we can make the sun orbit around me". "I am the light everlasting"....yadda, yadda, yadda....

    If you were to take a good, hard, look at investment bankers and private equity firms, it's likely that a vast majority of people would be clamoring for a truly socialist government, and state run industry....
    Last edited: Dec 20, 2013
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  11. 9Nails

    9Nails TechSpot Paladin Posts: 970   +84

    I'm pretty sure that more representatives leeching dollars from the citizens and bogging down legislature isn't what the US needs.
     
  12. matrix86

    matrix86 TS Maniac Posts: 802   +8

    The reasons make no sense to me:

    ~Draper said each new state could start fresh with more relevant constitutions and perhaps even a new crowdsourced state flower.

    Ok. I get updated constitutions, but why not just work on updating the current one? And who cares about crowd sourcing a state flower?

    ~Moreover, decisions made by local governments could be more relevant to the population as regulations in one new state may not be appropriate for another.

    .............ok, so then why not make things simpler and keep the one state with its updated constitution. If you kept the one state, you don't have to worry about decisions from governments being different from state to state. His statement really makes no sense here.

    ~He also believes separate states would help increase competition and reduce monopolistic power as competition will lower cost and improve services.

    ........I need more explanation as to what he means, here. Is he talking about businesses. If so, how does separating one state into many change anything? If you want more competition and less monopoly, just bring in more businesses. I don't see how this is going to make anything better in this regard.

    ~individuals could move between states more freely.

    ............dude, put down the doobie. This really makes no sense. One state, people move about just fine. 6 states, people move about just fine. I don't get it.

    Either this article was poorly written, leaving out a lot of needed information, or this guy makes no sense in his reasons.
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  13. The next president of the united states will win by a margin of 1-4 votes...
  14. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,980   +1,488

    The next president will always be in the pockets of big business. So it doesn't matter who wins or by how many votes.
  15. Littleczr

    Littleczr TS Booster Posts: 371   +69

    I live in Los Angeles, when this comes in the ballot count me in for NO on six separate states!
  16. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TechSpot Paladin Posts: 5,980   +1,488

    [​IMG]
    Besides the flag wouldn't look right with 5 more stars. lol
    Wouldn't be fair to the other 49 states, making them change flag design. :D :p
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    This guy is the most self serving egomaniac I've heard be allowed to speak in recent memory.

    He's Elon Musk, with an even deeper rooted and more severe, "God complex".

    And BTW, salient traits of a sociopath's (*) personality, are being charming and persuasive.

    The rest of his concept, is just patently self serving BS. This person wants his rationalizations and subterfuge, to become everyone else's reality.(n)

    (*) At this level of risk, intellect, and field of endeavor, sociopaths are in abundance. It's fairly common in layers and investment bankers. Think Bernie Madoff, the only remorse shown there was in attempt to reduce his sentence. Now, how charming and persuasive would you have to be, to cajole people into simply handing you billions of dollars? (Or for that matter, splitting California into 6 separate states, simply on your say so)
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  18. The US would be weaker if California were split up. Most of the strengths of California come from the synergism of the different parts --- splitting would just cause more battles (over water and other resources)
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    I'm not exactly sure why everyone seems to want to continue the debate over the viability of this proposal. Up front, it's kinda stupid. If this were some clown in the opposite political party from you attempting redistricting to insure his re-election, the motivation would be as plain as the nose on your face.

    The d***** with this idea, is a sociopath, plain and simple.

    He's had successes in investment, which have emboldened him to what amounts to tipping his hand, on what most would consider a diagnosable personality disorder.
  20. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,408   +314

    The topic is very archaic - - discussed clear back in the '60s. It has always been about natural resources, population distribution and tax money spending - - that makes him a plagiarist.
  21. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 10,684   +882

    You're not saying that being a, "plagarist", excludes him from being a, "sociopath"......er.....are you? :confused:
  22. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 13,408   +314

    Nope - - just not being original


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