Tesla has already sold enough Powerwalls to push production back to mid-2016

[captaincranky]

Oh? like going on about DC transmission? where the hell does that even come from?
Or comparing what I said about hydrogen fuel cells taking a enormous amount of power and time to reverse vs a battery that only takes a slight bit more and much less time by comparison?
Or how inverters are so poor even though they are REALLY efficient and not expensive at all.
Or saying that Tesla should provide the solar panels also as if other companies don't do that already? Should Tesla come flick the light switch for you when you come home also because by golly its just way half measured to only provide you with the part that the specialize in!

But hey lets not work on facts here lets just respond with something completely irrelevant that has nothing to do with the topic or with what I said in the first place.

If either of you watched the video you would know that the plans would be to have massive solar farms around to charge these things and reduce the need for fossil fuel generators.

Slamming tesla with labels like "BS factor" wtf is that about? Does Tesla cars not work? Did they not provide free to use charge stations all over the place? Is the royalty free open and free for use patents the mark of a shady scam?
Measuring the success of Tesla as a whole with comments like "well the company isnt making a profit so the cars must suck and the idea is bad" Is just so absurd its not even possible to respond with an argument since there is none.

Not once did he respond with an actual counter argument to anything I said but instead started a fresh new off topic irrelevant rant, that kid of behavior is something I saw in school, try acting like adults.

Anything that uses electricity in the act of converting it, or storing it, in effect, wastes electricity.

And really, at this point in space in time, would you really want to jump in your Tesla, and travel across the country, while depending on Musk's charging stations to be when and where you need them?

I never said "Tesla's suck", that's all in your mind.

But I am willing to bet, that Musk would be willing to pimp off any proprietary technology which his workers have created, (not him), if the price was right.

The fact notwithstanding, that business should offer a profit to their shareholders, not excuses.

If either of you watched the video you would know that the plans would be to have massive solar farms around to charge these things and reduce the need for fossil fuel generators.

If you think "solar farms" are a Musk original idea, you're delusional. Popular Science magazine has run articles on alternative power for decades. Ditto for, "flying cars".

 

[cliffordcooley]

Gasoline powered generators, aren't efficient, stink like hell, and can kill you if you keep in the house with you. With that said, and with all their faults, they're a far better solution to the only problem Musk's "Power Wall" can presently hope to solve, a power failure in the grid.

That actually is not the selling pitch. The selling pitch is lowering carbon emissions, which a generator is still a contributor.

 

[lipe123]

Sure I will acknowledge the benefit of collecting solar. But not if it cost more in the long run for the home user to implement. All because of some greedy bastard keeping prices higher than that of our electric bill. They have us on the grid and they want to keep us on the grid. This Powerwall only serve to help them, not the home user.

So as long as the consumer's wallet isn't impacted its perfectly fine to keep raping the planet until 3 generations from now half the coastal cities are underwater and our grandkids need to deal with our crappy choices because it costs money to change?

The powerwall IS a UPS, whats the problem? its 97% efficient and drops down to 80% over its 10 year lifepspan. If you can turn the entire USA into a giant UPS and charge it with sunlight you electricity bill will surely go down since paying someone to wipe down solar panels once a year and replace broken ones sure as hell is cheaper and better for everyone than burning 500 bazillion tons of coal every single day.

You can daisychain up to 10 of them if you wanted and they have the powerbox thing that starts at 10MW. You can power an entire factory with batteries and charge it up via cleaner solutions like nuclear or whatever you want as long as the carbon emissions is low.

Also the costs is not even that high AT ALL http://insideevs.com/solarcity-reveals-installed-pricing-for-tesla-powerwall/

$5000 for the starter 10kw system that ends up saving you money in the long run is hardly the end of the world, the alternative is however the end of the world.

So instead of slamming people/companies for trying to force change on coal burning monkeys that refuse to realize what they are doing I applaud somone for at least TRYING to do SOMETHING instead of shrugging it off as some BS PR stunt for crap.

 

[captaincranky]

That actually is not the selling pitch. The selling pitch is lowering carbon emissions, which a generator is still a contributor.

Perhaps so, but both "solutions" currently have a carbon footprint, the generator in the garage, or the power substation 20 miles away. (The smaller generator is much worse).

Solar farms require quite a bit of square footage, and may not be entirely practical in high land use countries, such as Great Britain, (which I believe has the highest population density in the world. You may want to check on that,), and Japan. Hell, we have a hard time convincing them to stop killing off the rest of the whales.

In any case, other countries are ahead of us in renewable resources. This in spite of the fact they're moving forward without Mr. Musk's assistance / input / interference.

 

[cliffordcooley]

So as long as the consumer's wallet isn't impacted its perfectly fine to keep raping the planet until 3 generations from now half the coastal cities are underwater and our grandkids need to deal with our crappy choices because it costs money to change?

No I'm saying these Powerwalls only cost the consumer more in the long run. And that these changes needed for lowering carbon emissions, needs to be done on the grid. Not in the home where the home user would only end up paying more for a false sense of going green. Adding these Powerwalls in home does nothing for lowering carbon emissions. We don't need these Powerwalls to implement more solar or wind solutions on the grid.

As Cranky mentioned, if you don't have a farm of your own, these Powerwalls will serve no purpose. The better idea would have been for Musk to sell a package, with more than just the storage aspect.