Twitter will stop protecting Trump's tweets once he leaves office

[Xclusiveitalian]

America was always known to be a place where your voice can be heard even if you didn't deserve it. Our founding fathers realized that silencing others can lead to silencing everyone until obedience and dominance, something Kings regularly did. To silence a voice is to control and that is pretty much what I am seeing here. People are cheering for censorship blindly ignorant that they will be next and soon you won't be able to criticize those in charge.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Thrumpers refer to the Lamestream media as fake.

Here is a simple test for you - Does your source of media - issue retractions or apologies , corrections.
Or maybe does it double down?

now the NYT , WaPo etc issues corrections .
Has Breitbart or Info wars even issued one ( ignoring any under illegal duress )?- do they even remove a story to be shown wrong?

It's funny when the Info wars guy says in a legal defense - his site is not meant to be taken seriously.

Fox News has even use that defense. Owned by a shiny new American Rupert Murdoch ( Australian- they hate him mostly ) .
Soros this , Soros that - Murdoch continues his crap poisoning the world .
I remember in the UK - when they were trying to decide who was more horrible Robert Maxwell or Murdoch .
Trumpers support a guy who tells his followers to beat up media and cheer on those who do.

I remember my time working in London - watching Question Time on the BBC - Minsters got grill with intelligent pointed questions. Trump should have been held to account every day - ( remember when Govt Ministers in NZ, the UK uses to resign because they had an affair with their secretary )

I also remember Murdoch with the use of "The Sun" got a win for the Conservatives - when they were in too long - and couldn't believe they they had not been kicked out for being cynical money grabbing *****s for sale ( vs Labour Neil Kinnock ). The Conservatives tried to reign in Murdock for all his slimy reporters doing hit jobs etc - The Sun - then publish a story the 20 ( or was 50 ) biggest lies of the Tories . and the Tories backed off - Still Murdoch finally got his behind kicked - with all the phone tapping & other dirty tricks came out

 

[Endymio]

Lies like "Mueller has proof Trump colluded with Russia", or, "All 17 intelligence agencies agree Russia wanted to help Trump", or "Chinese banks own Trump", or "Trump called Covid a hoax", or countless other long-debunked falsehoods that Twitter allows freely, and sometimes even promotes itself?

Would you like to try to dispute all of his denials about Covid-19, right up until the day before it was proclaimed a pandemic?

I notice you didn't even attempt to dispute any of the points I raised above, nor those regarding the AP's ludicrous travesty of a "fact check" on election meddling. We'll consider that your own concession speech. As for this new issue you raise -- I'll be happy to address it. A few points to jog your memory:

- When the pandemic began, all the major actors -- China, the US media, the WHO and the CDC, including Fauci himself -- said Covid was nothing to worry about, that it didn't spread human-to-human contact. The sole exception to this was Trump advisor Navarro, who concluded it could be a serious threat. As a result, Trump banned travel from China -- the first world leader to do so.

- When Trump took that action, every major Democrat (including Biden) criticized it as "unnecessary", "spreading fear", and even "racist". A full month afterwards, Democrats -- including the House leadership, the Senate minority leader -- were still ignoring the Covid threat entirely, and the WHO and CDC were still denying it was highly infectious. Covid wasn't even mentioned during the Feb 25 Democratic candidate debate, by Joe Biden or anyone else. Why not?

-- Trump's action was not based on "secret info" he had that was kept from the public, but rather the same reports out of China that we all saw. The difference was the media trusted China's denials. Trump didn't. Joe Biden trusted China. Trump didn't.

- When March began, with the WHO's sudden admission that Covid was indeed highly infectious, the media did an instant about-face. Within a couple weeks, they were predicting 3 to 11 million deaths in the US from Covid, mass graves in every major US city, a shortage of ventilators and hospital beds that would leave hundreds of thousands without even basic medical care. None of that happened. Thanks to federal involvement in production and distribution of ventilators, not one patient lacked one, and Army construction of field hospitals in NY meant no patient every lacked IC care either.

- The Democrat and media narrative is now that Trump should have "acted sooner". At the time, though, they said Trump should do nothing whatsoever -- though they had access to the same information that Trump did. Even worse, the shutdowns they say he should have ordered are unconstitutional. In the ultimate irony, instead of addressing Covid at the time -- Congress was at the time wasting time impeaching Trump for "unconstitutional acts". And they now complain he didn't do something unconstiutional?

- Despite countless repetition of this lie, it's still a lie: Trump never called Covid a "hoax". During the March/April near-panic, he urged calm as a counterpoint to the media's irresponsible fearmongering. Good for him. Had he fed their overblown claims, the resultant panic could have caused a social breakdown in cities that would have done far more damage than Covid.

Weak minds are easily programmable by incessant media narratives. Facts, though, remain facts.

 

[whateversa]

The US voted for a career politician that has been in office for 47 YEARS! and has the worst track record ever. That doesn't say much for the level of intelligence, or lack there of. watch the stock market TANK in one year from now.

I don't think anyone in politics that long can have a 'good' track record. People judge these things based on their own limited view points. It does not consider the reasons why other options were not chosen (such as who else is impacted) and so on. There is almost always another side to the story and everyone who judges these things thinks they are a subject expert (without having participated in the process at all).

If you think you can do better, then become a politician.

 

[Endymio]

The Muller [sic] report was mostly confirmed by the Senate report.

The Mueller report concluded no collusion, and no evidence of collusion, as did the Senate report. Evidence declassified since then -- including then CIA-director Brennan's handwritten notes -- confirm that the entire "Russian collusion" narrative was cooked up, bought and paid for, by the Clinton campaign. That's all well-explained.

The only thing still unexplained is why Joe Biden's son was receiving large payments from Russian sources, including a $3.5M wire transfer from close Putin ally Elena Baturina, wife of the then-mayor of Moscow. Hunter Biden's emails say they money was for access to his father. What's your theory on them?

 

[captaincranky]

@Endymio Trump has already had to issue several pardons for members of his campaign staff. Since one or more was already sentenced, how do you feel about this?

Here's mull over these "fake news" links.

Factbox: Here are eight Trump associates arrested or convicted of crimes

Steve Bannon has been charged with defrauding Trump supporters in a campaign to help build the president's signature wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, prosecutors said on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/20/steve-bannon-arrest-list-of-trumps-ex-associates-who-have-faced-charges.html

 

[captaincranky]

@Endymio BTW, I have a riddle for you. What is a "Trump Supporter?

Answer, a bright red jock strap with "MAGA", on the front.

 

[discoScrew]

This is a tech forum for Pete's sake...lovely argument in the comments we have here

 

[Endymio]

@Endymio Trump has already had to issue several pardons for members of his campaign staff.

Incorrect of course: no pardons have been issued. Your list is an excellent example of the logical fallacy known as "guilt by association", but it's more an indictment of the lengths the Left will go to in using the justice system for political aims. Take Flynn, for instance -- being "investigated" for a crime that no one in the entire history of the US has ever been convicted of (the Logan Act) and one he wasn't guilty of in any case. Agents interviewing him violated multiple FBI protocols, and the handwritten notes of the agent in charge stated that Flynn in fact wasn't lying, and even asked why they were being sent there to set him up -- facts all uncovered by the Obama-appointed IG, and now admitted by the DOJ.

The most serious case on that list was Manafort, who cheated on his taxes long before his brief association with Trump. If you recall, Trump fired him 3 months after his hiring. Wow-- big Trump scandal there. The only relevance of Manafort, in fact, is that the DoJ actually investigated his tax situation years earlier and concluded the case wasn't strong enough to prosecute. It wasn't until the Mueller team realized they could use the case as a tool against Trump that he was actually indicted.

 

[captaincranky]

Incorrect of course: no pardons have been issued. Your list is an excellent example of the logical fallacy known as "guilt by association", but it's more an indictment of the lengths the Left will go to in using the justice system for political aims. Take Flynn, for instance -- being "investigated" for a crime that no one in the entire history of the US has ever been convicted of (the Logan Act) and one he wasn't guilty of in any case. Agents interviewing him violated multiple FBI protocols, and the handwritten notes of the agent in charge stated that Flynn in fact wasn't lying, and even asked why they were being sent there to set him up -- facts all uncovered by the Obama-appointed IG, and now admitted by the DOJ.

The most serious case on that list was Manafort, who cheated on his taxes long before his brief association with Trump. If you recall, Trump fired him 3 months after his hiring. Wow-- big Trump scandal there. The only relevance of Manafort, in fact, is that the DoJ actually investigated his tax situation years earlier and concluded the case wasn't strong enough to prosecute. It wasn't until the Mueller team realized they could use the case as a tool against Trump that he was actually indicted.

Where do you get news the isn't fake, from Rush Limbaugh?

Let me add to this, you're the first person to indict these threads for not being "appropriate for a Tech site". Yet when you get into one, you wiil neither leave or shut your mouth, all the while adjusting facts to suit the narrative you're promoting..

I saw with my own eyes the first time it was broadcast, Trump saying, "covid is a democrat hoax"

I watched that a**hole walk out on the White House balcony, hopped up on steroids and say, "ah, you don't have to worry about covid".

His buddy Steve Bannon was just arrested for committing fraud in collecting money for a border wall
From Forbes:

Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon was arrested on Thursday after being charged with fraud in connection to the “We Build the Wall” fundraising campaign, joining a sizable list of President Trump’s associates to have been charged or imprisoned on criminal counts.

Now the links and quotes I've provided are from Forbes, Reuters, and CNBC. Next you're going to tell me that these long standing and respected publishers are, "all part of an extreme left wing conspiracy"

You'r hero is delusional, ,and you're heading rapidly toward mental parity with him.

 

[Yad]

If Joe got the most votes in usa history and americans believe it then the issue is much much more deep than it looks.
You guys have the most powerful brainwashing machine in the planet.

Trump is no saint,but Joe the president?Seriously?

 

[Puiu]

The Mueller report concluded no collusion, and no evidence of collusion, as did the Senate report. Evidence declassified since then -- including then CIA-director Brennan's handwritten notes -- confirm that the entire "Russian collusion" narrative was cooked up, bought and paid for, by the Clinton campaign. That's all well-explained.

The only thing still unexplained is why Joe Biden's son was receiving large payments from Russian sources, including a $3.5M wire transfer from close Putin ally Elena Baturina, wife of the then-mayor of Moscow. Hunter Biden's emails say they money was for access to his father. What's your theory on them?

Wrong, the Muller report contained enough evidence to warrant an investigation into the president and those around him with arrests being made at the end. The reason nothing happened at the end to Trump is because key witnesses either lied or refused to testify and the contents of meetings were never properly disclosed. Trump also used his executive privilege to deny congress materials even though it was previously promised that he would not do that.

In case you forgot arrests were made. The FBI could do nothing to Trump directly so they just went for the people around him. In fact, it was established that Trump and a few close to him knew of the emails before they were made public (you should know what this means), but prosecutors couldn't tie the leaks directly to Trump.

The Senate report confirms many of the key points of the Muller report.

Hunter Biden's emails contain nothing to incriminate him or his father of any wrongdoing from an official position just like Trump's businesses in Saudi Arabia, Russia and China don't incriminate him of anything.