US court says Google can order its search results the way it wants

  1. Google search results are protected under the First Amendment, and the company has the complete right to arrange them as it sees fit, according to a recent ruling by a San Francisco court.

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  2. wastedkill

    wastedkill TS Evangelist Posts: 1,373   +310

    Its like saying that microsoft cant make their browsers search engine bing lol its seriously pathetic when did we become that pathetic that we are trying to force inventors to change their products to suit specific companies?

    Its like asking google to promote bing instead of their own search engine...
  3. Skidmarksdeluxe

    Skidmarksdeluxe TS Evangelist Posts: 6,339   +1,938

    Of course Google is going to move it's services to the top of it's own list, it's only natural. This chump is probably trying to float a sinking boat and he wants Google's resources to do it. He sounds like a chancer.
  4. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    Microsoft and Google services are irrelevant here. Search results should always display the most relevant not the most supported by these companies. If Google or Microsoft wants to promote specifics, they can do it on the side.
  5. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Maniac Posts: 936   +242

    I cannot say that I agree with this company's lawsuit, but in my opinion, most search engine results are highly questionable these days. As I see it, they have been watered-down by results from the use of "OR" terms, and I do not think that I should have to be an expert in searching or querying to get the best possible results.

    In the not-so-distant-past, typing in a few terms instantly brought up relevant search results that contained all terms, not results that contain one of several search terms entered, which, as I see it, only increases the noise returned from searches. In addition, it seems as if all searches carry a basic search engine assumption that the person doing the search always wants to buy a particular item. What we are left with now, as I see it at least, are search results splattered with random complete garbage in the hope that the user clicks on one of the results so that it generates revenue, much like searching for an item at Amazon.

    As I see it, the bigger search engines splatter garbage results just because they can making it difficult to do serious research.
  6. JakeT

    JakeT TS Member Posts: 74   +20

    This is getting pathetic. Google search will inevitably become a promotional tool for Google products, exclusively. Bing will do the same, Yahoo, etc. I think it's time Google had two different search engines, one that serves the public and one that serves their marketing department. Every time Google adjusts their search algorithms I use them just a wee bit less for my general searches. Keep up the self promotion Google, you're losing me one search at a time.
  7. How are they irrelevant ? If someone wants to make a search engine, and at the top have ad links, or sponsored or others that they deem to... oh advertise ... at the top, then that is their call.
    If you don't like that engine because they have sponsored links, then go feck yaself and find a search engine that works how you want it to.
    I don't see how anyone can make Google do anything, its insane. Are you telling me I would have my search engine ripped a new one if I decided I wanted the least favorable stuff at the top?
    You can't force this, it's bull
  8. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,267   +101

    I went to Google because it seemed to give me unfiltered and unbiased results... this definitely isnt the case any more. As good as it still it today, I'm trying to get the desire for an alternative.

    I've been asking the question, but havent gotten any replies really.

    Is there a better search engine? Is there one that treats all results evenly? Is there one that wont automatically filter results?
    wiyosaya likes this.
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    That in my opinion is not in question here. And I don't have a problem with that. It is my interpretation that Google is bringing their own search promotions to the top 100 or more searches. That is not the same as their promotional box of five or so listings.
    wiyosaya likes this.
  10. wastedkill

    wastedkill TS Evangelist Posts: 1,373   +310

    in my eyes and everyones elses they own it, they maintain it, they pay for it, they can do what ever they want with it how they please without anyone telling them how their own product should or shouldn't function.
    m4a4 likes this.
  11. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Maniac Posts: 936   +242

    I mostly use Bing because it also started out that way; I started using them after being disappointed by Google's results. The truth is, neither is all that great. Sometimes, I use both because they do give different results, and sometimes, one is better than the other. Unfortunately, I do not know of an ultimate and unbiased search engine.
  12. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    And in my eyes if Google want to cater search results we shouldn't have to tell them to stay neutral. We are fighting for Net Neutrality are we not?
  13. wastedkill

    wastedkill TS Evangelist Posts: 1,373   +310

    Whilst im all for net neutrality if microsoft can do a first serve to their own products then why cant google? if you want to give money to google to get the traffic and potential customers that will have been lost due to the no more first serve fiasco then go ahead but if not then doesnt it make sense to tell customers your products are first?
  14. Hexic

    Hexic TS Addict Posts: 272   +127

    If Google wants to modify their search results, then it's their company and they can do so. End of story. There's no counter-argument.

    If they are crossing the line in one aspect or another, they will have their shareholders and [potentially] the government to answer to. If you don't like the way they are operating, don't use them.

    If enough individuals stop using a particular service, they lose money. And as per economics 101 - why do you start a business?

    To make money.
  15. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    Then why are we bitching about what the ISP's serve up or block? You don't want to be controlled by ISP's but here you are standing behind Google and/or Microsoft for the very same thing. I am totally confused by our stance as a society. Do we want it or do we not?

    Asking for Net Neutrality from ISP's with high-priority/banned picks on Search Engine results, is not Net Neutrality.
  16. Kibaruk

    Kibaruk TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,420   +470

    If you don't like it you simply don't have to use it, there's duckduckgo, bing, yahoo, whatnot out there, no one is forcing anyone to use that search engine.

    Also, if I do a search for mail on any of the main sites, I'll get their own product, it's just a thing of logic (Actually bing gave me live mail on like the 5th result lol) but you get the logic point.
  17. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    It is crazy that you would use that example, when websites only cater to their own site. That is not the same thing as search engines catering unbiased results to the entire Internet. Besides I've already stated I don't care if they list promotions, as long as they do it within a promotional space.
  18. Come on people, stop whining, if you dont like Google then go elsewhere. Its a company and they can do what the hell they want with there product, if you dont like it then its your problem, there is more than 1 search engine.
    Its like trying to sue Ford dealer because they dont sell Toyota.
    Wake up.
    dennis777 likes this.
  19. Ironic that people are complaining about this on a highly moderated forum.
  20. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    You people are confused and deserve to have your ISP dictate where and what you view! After all you do have a choice of ISP, do you not?
    wiyosaya likes this.
  21. Win7Dev

    Win7Dev TS Evangelist Posts: 537   +152

    Actually not really. Most people can only pick from two or three at most. Some people only have one real option.
  22. Stash

    Stash TS Member

    An ISP filtering the content you can access or sorting it according to the companies that give them the most benefits is different from using the google search engine.

    We pay an ISP to allow us internet access. PERIOD. I have checked my contract, they do not mention in any area of the legally binding document that they reserve the right to influence what kind of data I try to access or how I try to access that data.

    Google on the other hand is free to the end user... Why are you complaining?
    Google is not excluding the other results, they are just ordering things to their advantage... Why are you complaining?

    Go to a restaurant, look at the menu... Oh look, one has drinks in the front of the menu, another at the back... Lets call management and tell them that what they are doing is unethical, lord forbid if they put their "specials" first before all the other stuff they sell...
  23. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822

    You know what, you are absolutely right! I don't use Google search and never will. If you don't want my help making Google better, there is no need in me staying. See you in the next article!
  24. Kibaruk

    Kibaruk TechSpot Paladin Posts: 2,420   +470

    Wow do you actually read what you post?

    Also I didn't see anyone asking for "help", you are free to comment as everyone else in here is, but shoving your opinion on someone else is just that, doesn't make you right.
  25. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 8,430   +2,822


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