US government publishes annual unclassified report on unidentified aerial phenomena

[toooooot]

I recommend a movie about aliens called dark skies, I found it quite entertaining.

 

[Marco Mint]

Well it's going to take a lot more than blurry videos for me to jump on board.

Let's not forget, even at the speed of light (that's 186,000 miles a SECOND, folks) just reaching our closest neighboring star - Proxima Centauri - takes four years one-way. These "aliens" would have to be very advanced indeed, because they would have to have mastered folding space-time and discovered how to safely navigate through purely theoretical wormholes.

This just doesn't seem like a logical conclusion, from a scientific standpoint. It's much more likely to be an equipment glitch or a weather phenomenon that we don't yet understand.

You could not imagine what any race a 100,000 years in advance of us is able to achieve. To even try dream it would not be possible. So speculating on how they travel would be like asking a cave man to imagine us in our present day time. It couldn't be done and if it were seen with their own eyes, it would be considered magic.

 

[Lew Zealand]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C Clarke

 

[wiyosaya]

Unidentified floating pixels, surrounded by inevitable video compression noise. If that's enough to convince someone that being visited by extraterrestrials is the best explanation then hey, that's a pretty harmless opinion.

But yeah: a balloon. or x-15 cruise basselope

I seem to remember in the course of this thread that it was your post asking "where are all the cell phone videos" (as if they would prove anything even if a billion cell phones captured exactly the same footage) and now you are decrying them as being crap?

Everyone knows that cell phone videos/photos are crap - even from those cell phones that supposedly have good cameras.

So what you are telling me is that you were throwing a red-herring into the fish bowl?

Like I said, it is not cell phone videos that have sparked the recent interest and studies by various government agencies in the US, and perhaps other, governments. It is high-quality camera footage that no cell phone can ever even imagine itself being able to capture not to mention other high-quality, military grade sensors that have sparked these new investigations along with the opinions of those "sensor grabs" that whatever it is they recorded were doing things that are considered impossible in modern flight dynamics if not in modern physics.

Honestly, if you were trying to further a position in a debate, I think you just refuted your argument and should quit before you refute your position even further.

 

[wiyosaya]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

- Arthur C Clarke

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
- Carl Sagan and various others.

 

[wiyosaya]

We have powerful military and civilian radar technologies that are able to see anything, from just above ground level to the stratosphere, from birds, rain, dust and smoke (even the lowly doppler radar can see that) to any object that has the tiniest radar profile.

And yet through the decades until now, neither man nor machine, was able to provide a hint of acceptable proof of a UFO that's of extra terrestrial origin.

PS: Yes, I do believe there is something out there. But please prove it first.

Proving it will not be an easy task - especially if it involves technology beyond what humanity possesses.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I seem to remember in the course of this thread that it was your post asking "where are all the cell phone videos" (as if they would prove anything even if a billion cell phones captured exactly the same footage) and now you are decrying them as being crap?

Everyone knows that cell phone videos/photos are crap - even from those cell phones that supposedly have good cameras.

So what you are telling me is that you were throwing a red-herring into the fish bowl?

Like I said, it is not cell phone videos that have sparked the recent interest and studies by various government agencies in the US, and perhaps other, governments. It is high-quality camera footage that no cell phone can ever even imagine itself being able to capture not to mention other high-quality, military grade sensors that have sparked these new investigations along with the opinions of those "sensor grabs" that whatever it is they recorded were doing things that are considered impossible in modern flight dynamics if not in modern physics.

Honestly, if you were trying to further a position in a debate, I think you just refuted your argument and should quit before you refute your position even further.

LOL at "you should", thanks for the advice but keep it to yourself.

It's very simple: There is nothing to debate because there is nothing even vaguely close to proof.

That includes the millions of hours of military videos which contain nothing interesting. And then the slightly stranger military video which has been investigated and eventually explained by everyday occurrences. And so we're left with a tiny number of videos which are less easy to explain.

Containing UOs: unidentified objects. Literally they are unknown, which is cool. Jumping to an "aliens" conclusion is the ridiculous part as there is no support for this position and no reason to adopt it.

Here's the key part: All the videos clear enough to see what's in the video are: Not Aliens. Because the video is clear enough to see what in it. When the video is not clear, fuzzy, very tiny, with a thing not clearly identifiable, there is zero reason to suddenly start claiming aliens. It's merely an unclear video.

Cell phone video simply acts to support this: Billions of additional cameras and still no clear video.

Simplest answer tends to be the right one: no aliens.

 

[texasrattler]

Radars do and have detected a UFO which simply means a unidentified flying object, doesn't mean aliens. So that has happened.

Ther have also been newer radar or more software that can tell the difference between a plane, bird n satellite. As far as I know it still lists an object it does not know as unidentified. Doesn't mean Aliens means an object that it can't simply identify. It could be a Alien craft, could be a high end military drone. Point being, it's unidentified. Now the reason that people go to UFOs/UAPs is because of the movement, speed and the ability to maneuver in ways known craft can't. Not to mention UFOs being g seen coming in and out of water which again no known human tech can do that.
If you believe the US government they don't have the tech to do that but at the same time they also said Area 51 didn't exist for 50 years, it did. They didn't believe or have credible threat to our skies but yet spent over 20 million on research to study what they now call UAPs. Seems a bit odd to research something you don't believe in or pose no threat to you.

 

[texasrattler]

A UFO could be anything. What I'd be more interested in is USOs. There are only a limited number of craft that could just dive into the water. More so, something that could fly into and out with ease, currently no known human tech is known to exist. That would lean to more Alien tech. Just my opinion.

People can and will believe in what they want.

 

[Endymio]

If you believe the US government they don't have the tech to do that but at the same time they also said Area 51 didn't exist for 50 years, it did.

And it held nothing but US-built spy planes and other aircraft, which were the source of the area's false UFO sightings.

You certainly made a point. It's not the point you think, however.

 

[texasrattler]

Area 51 classified report had a lot of redacted stuff. No one knows everything that has gone on there. To say you think you know, you'd be wrong.

Also other Areas are believed to exist that have never been made public. Even the mountain ranges behind Area 51.

Bob Lazar who everyone said never worked there or knew anything was found out he did work there and other areas. He didn't lie. Whether people believe him or not, things have gone on their that we may never know about.
Also why anyone believe what any government says, especially one that said Area 51 never existed.

 

[ddferrari]

You could not imagine what any race a 100,000 years in advance of us is able to achieve. To even try dream it would not be possible. So speculating on how they travel would be like asking a cave man to imagine us in our present day time. It couldn't be done and if it were seen with their own eyes, it would be considered magic.

True, but until we have further knowledge, assumptions cannot be made. I believe this is a reasonable approach to what is nothing more than a theory at this point. We literally know nothing- neither you nor I. So I feel my position is quite rational, all things considered- yes?

My argument consists of is what we exactly know NOW, not what might exist 100,000 years from now.

So I'm going with facts, while you're arguing in theoretical ideas. Mine has been proven already: yours has not.

 

[ddferrari]

Who's to say that humanity's understanding of physics is complete or absolute?

Even on Earth, there are credible theories on "warp drive" https://interestingengineering.com/science/warp-drive-not-science-fiction-faster-than-light-travel and the reference from that article - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abdf6e

Well, until our understanding of physics changes, we must base our understanding on what has been established - plain and simple. One must go off of what one has been able to prove. Period.

Anything else is pure speculation.

 

[Endymio]

Even on Earth, there are credible theories on "warp drive" https://interestingengineering.com/science/warp-drive-not-science-fiction-faster-than-light-travel and the reference from that article - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abdf6e

Oops! That author misinterpreted the research. If you read the underlying article, you'll see it is clearly referring to subluminal travel, NOT faster-than-light.

 

[Bamda]

Now show us the report on missing people, in urban and rural areas. Show us the reports and evidence on Sasquatch. The government hides so much from us it's scary.

 

[AJ North]

"I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we CAN suppose."

— John Burdon Sanderson Haldane, FRS (1892 - 1964)
("Possible Worlds and Other Papers," 1927, P. 286)

 

[ddferrari]

Who's to say that humanity's understanding of physics is complete or absolute?

Even on Earth, there are credible theories on "warp drive" https://interestingengineering.com/science/warp-drive-not-science-fiction-faster-than-light-travel and the reference from that article - https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abdf6e

Your link backs up what I stated; to travel faster than the speed of light, space-time would need to be bent or folded. While it's theoretically possible, alien visitors are the least likely explanation for UFOs in my opinion. Also, if they are that advanced, I wonder why would they even be interested in us? Maybe for the same reasons we are interested in cavemen.

If we are indeed being visited by extra-terrestrials, let's hope they don't have any hostile intentions!

 

[texasrattler]

Your link backs up what I stated; to travel faster than the speed of light, space-time would need to be bent or folded. While it's theoretically possible, alien visitors are the least likely explanation for UFOs in my opinion. Also, if they are that advanced, I wonder why would they even be interested in us? Maybe for the same reasons we are interested in cavemen.

If we are indeed being visited by extra-terrestrials, let's hope they don't have any hostile intentions!

For all we know this was their planet n were forced out or simply moved on. They could be just fascinated by humans. The good n bad. Maybe they never actually left. Maybe theyve been here since the dawn of time. Maybe they evolved and simply know how to travel the stars. Who cares, keep an mind open and embrace the possibilities. Life is full of surprises, when you least expect it you get the answers.

For all we know they have rules and either wont or cant break them.

When the world is ready maybe we will get some of those answers.

 

[Endymio]

For all we know this was their planet n were forced out or simply moved on. They could be just fascinated by humans. The good n bad. Maybe they never actually left. Maybe theyve been here since the dawn of time. Maybe they evolved and simply know how to travel the stars

The idea that aliens are visiting us in vehicles so similar to our own conception of aerospace travel is a dead giveaway it's hysteria: no different than 1 7th-century philosophers postulating a future of air-travelling three-masted wooden galleons, complete with canvas sails. The mere idea that they're able to so effectively confuse our radar, but can't seem to manage to keep from radiating in the visible spectrum marks it as absurdity. Alien life very well may be out there; it may even be surreptitiously observing us. But not by sending brightly-colored lights to flit about our skies.

 

[wiyosaya]

Interesting article on the subject https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3819643-10-reasons-to-take-ufos-seriously/

 

[wiyosaya]

Oops! That author misinterpreted the research. If you read the underlying article, you'll see it is clearly referring to subluminal travel, NOT faster-than-light.

OOPS! One of these days, you will get your head out of your "I know it all" rear. Wake up man https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abe692

Just in case you cannot access it, here's the simplified version even you should be able to understand. https://phys.org/news/2021-03-warp-barrier-faster-than-light.html

BTW - that was a relatively (pun intended) easy find. I'm surprised you overlooked it.

 

[wiyosaya]

And another simplified article on the same research for the "I know it all" challenged. https://www.sci.news/physics/superluminal-travel-09448.html

 

[Endymio]

OOPS! One of these days, you will get your head out of your "I know it all" rear. Wake up man https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1361-6382/abe692

Is reading comprehension really so difficult? You're quoting an entirely different paper from your first one, and the one to which I responded. That paper was indeed referring to subluminal (slower-than-light) travel, as I said. You misinterpreted it: move on.

Furthermore, if you believe that one paper by one newly minted postdoc "suggesting" that a soliton can maintain positive energy density at superluminal velocities somehow proves that space aliens are here spying on us on a daily basis, then I don't know what to say to that.

 

[texasrattler]

The idea that aliens are visiting us in vehicles so similar to our own conception of aerospace travel is a dead giveaway it's hysteria: no different than 1 7th-century philosophers postulating a future of air-travelling three-masted wooden galleons, complete with canvas sails. The mere idea that they're able to so effectively confuse our radar, but can't seem to manage to keep from radiating in the visible spectrum marks it as absurdity. Alien life very well may be out there; it may even be surreptitiously observing us. But not by sending brightly-colored lights to flit about our skies.

Who said that there not trying to be seen? If UFOs/UAPs are Alien, we would pose no threat to them. So they won't be trying to not be seen, they wouldn't even care. They would do whatever they want or need to do.

Ancient cultures/civilizations believed star people exist. Theese cultures exist all around the world. They also know where they came from. How could ancient people know where a Star is at that can't be seen by the naked eye? Telescope wasn't invented at that time. Again even if it was, how would know to look in that exact spot? You wouldnt. Unless you had knowledge of it.
The Star in question would be Sirius B. Sirius A can be seen at times but not B.

People can and will choose what they want to believe.

 

[ddferrari]

Who said that there not trying to be seen? If UFOs/UAPs are Alien, we would pose no threat to them. So they won't be trying to not be seen, they wouldn't even care. They would do whatever they want or need to do.

Ancient cultures/civilizations believed star people exist. Theese cultures exist all around the world. They also know where they came from. How could ancient people know where a Star is at that can't be seen by the naked eye? Telescope wasn't invented at that time. Again even if it was, how would know to look in that exact spot? You wouldnt. Unless you had knowledge of it.
The Star in question would be Sirius B. Sirius A can be seen at times but not B.

People can and will choose what they want to believe.

Well, (our) scientific knowledge is not based on choosing what you want to believe. It is based on what is probable, and more importantly, provable.

So unless we make some radical leaps in our understanding of how the universe works, the fact is, alien visitors are not even a remotely plausible explanation for these unexplained objects.

Even Neil deGrasse Tyson - one of the most widely respected astrophysicists in the world - is not on board with this alien theory. And I'm sure that he, of all people, would LOVE to meet an alien. It's just 99.9999999999999% not the answer.