Windows 12 will be a different, modular monster with faster updates, AI integrations,...

[HardReset]

I also recall as clear as day that Windows 10 would be the last Windows OS. We all know how that worked out.

Perhaps all of those who said "Windows 10 is last Windows" should check actual Facts:

Why is there a Windows 11 if Windows 10 is the last Windows?

If Windows 10 was supposed to be the last version of Windows, why is there a Windows 11? Well, because Windows 10 was never officially the last version of Windows.

www.pcworld.com

So no, Microsoft never said Windows 10 is last Windows. That was just rumour that many websites called as fact.

This is basically same when Lisa Su told Ryzen 3000 series will have "Globalfoundries IO die" and then almost all hardware websites told that IO die is 14nm

(It was actually 12nm, Lisa never told it was 14nm. Always check facts despite 100 sites telling same)

 

[gamerk2]

<rant>
Also, while I get that the software development is being done in “Agile” sprints, I truly just want a stable product that isn’t being tweaked (and broken) constantly. Especially when said product is my operating system.
<rant/>

As a Software Engineer: I HATE Sprints. You either overperform and sit on your butt doing little until the sprint ends, or you underperform (or underestimate) and you have to dedicate the next sprint(s) to getting the work done. From my experience, all Agile/Sprints do is add more overhead/hours to the job.

 

[Avro Arrow]

"Windows 12 will be a different, modular monster with faster updates, AI integrations, and more"

It's the "and more" part that's worrisome.

 

[RandomWAN]

3800x and a 5600x. Not a clunker just a crappy OS.

Regardless of your opinion of the OS and what makes it bad or good, what you described should not be happening on that hardware and I would be inclined to blame user error.

Windows 10 = CANCER.
Windows 11 = METASTASIS.
Windows 12 = (what do you call the metastasis of a metastasis?)

Cancerception?

 

[LetTheWookieWin]

As a Software Engineer: I HATE Sprints. You either overperform and sit on your butt doing little until the sprint ends, or you underperform (or underestimate) and you have to dedicate the next sprint(s) to getting the work done. From my experience, all Agile/Sprints do is add more overhead/hours to the job.

Don’t get me started on “backlog grooming” and “planning poker” (Or as I like to call it, BS bingo).

 

[DrkKnight]

Welp ............ Looks like Windows 10 is gonna be my last OS

F@%k That AI BS

 

[ZedRM]

Welp ............ Looks like Windows 10 is gonna be my last OS

F@%k That AI BS

100% agree. AI has it's uses. It does not belong in an OS.

 

[captaincranky]

Cancerception?

I'd skip the clever coinages and call Windows 12 what it will be, "M$'s latest justification for forcing obsolescence on your current hardware".

Perhaps going so far as something to the effect of,"full implementation of AI, requires a minimum of xx Teraflops capability in the system's VGA". (Gotcha).

I doubt if M$ will be content with simply out dating merely your board, CPU, and memory.

TPM 2.0 and the equipment listing they've given that you'll be "allowed" to run Windows 11 on, is just a sample of how brazen M$ can be, and will likely become more so, going forward.

 

[captaincranky]

Perhaps all of those who said "Windows 10 is last Windows" should check actual Facts:

I took your suggestion, and read the entire PC Mag article you linked

So no, Microsoft never said Windows 10 is last Windows. That was just rumour that many websites called as fact.

But, "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", wasn't merely started by a bunch of random websites. It was an (intentional ?), misstatement made by an upper tier M$ official during a press conference touting the new OS.

Now, what you have here is "plausible deniability", to the tune of "whoops, one of our execs got overly excited and blurted that out". Yet M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by letting that version scenario play out, and propagate what they've now disavowed. describing it as a "rumor". So now, the "rumor" is being blamed on websites who took the press conference statement verbatim and ran with it.

M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by allowing that to happen.

M$ itself is fully complicit and responsible for allowing that to happen.

From the user's POV, "oh boy, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows ever, and it's fee with my Win 7 license". This had to influence a higher rate of 10's adoption, while the powers that be at M$ kicked back and did nothing to stop it.

Furthermore, early updates of Win 10, were essentially the installation of an entire new OS, further reinforcing the notion that win 10 , "would go on forever".

No quarter or respite was ever given to Windows 10 users with inadequate bandwidth to cope with that nonsense. Because after all, "Windows is now a service". and no longer an OS that you buy, and are allowed to delude yourself into believing you owned it.

When you come right down to it, the concept of Windows being a "service", is "execu-speak" for what a layman like myself of lower education and breeding might state thusly, "Windows is ours, and we're doing you a great big a** fu*king favor by allowing you pedestrian louts to partake of its splendor". "Now just shut up, and buy yourselves new systems, in order that we may be able to continue to 'serve' you with Windows 11".

 

[HardReset]

I took your suggestion, and read the entire PC Mag article you linked

But, "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", wasn't merely started by a bunch of random websites. It was an (intentional ?), misstatement made by an upper tier M$ official during a press conference touting the new OS.

That "Windows 10 will be last Windows" was taken out of larger context. In truth, Microsoft exec didn't say straight Windows 10 will be last Windows ever. When reading all he said, it's clear that he didn't mean what those random websites say.

You see, websites often misunderstood what was actually said. Good example is Zen2 that was supposed to have 14nm IO die. Something I questioned immediately although many websites wrote it. What Lisa Su actually said? "GlobalFoundries IO die". Too bad, Globalfoundries also had 12nm tech too. And Ryzen IO die is 12nm, not 14nm.

Now, what you have here is "plausible deniability", to the tune of "whoops, one of our execs got overly excited and blurted that out". Yet M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by letting that version scenario play out, and propagate what they've now disavowed. describing it as a "rumor". So now, the "rumor" is being blamed on websites who took the press conference statement verbatim and ran with it.

M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by allowing that to happen.

M$ itself is fully complicit and responsible for allowing that to happen.

From the user's POV, "oh boy, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows ever, and it's fee with my Win 7 license". This had to influence a higher rate of 10's adoption, while the powers that be at M$ kicked back and did nothing to stop it.

Furthermore, early updates of Win 10, were essentially the installation of an entire new OS, further reinforcing the notion that win 10 , "would go on forever".

No quarter or respite was ever given to Windows 10 users with inadequate bandwidth to cope with that nonsense. Because after all, "Windows is now a service". and no longer an OS that you buy, and are allowed to delude yourself into believing you owned it.

When you come right down to it, the concept of Windows being a "service", is "execu-speak" for what a layman like myself of lower education and breeding might state thusly, "Windows is ours, and we're doing you a great big a** fu*king favor by allowing you pedestrian louts to partake of its splendor". "Now just shut up, and buy yourselves new systems, in order that we may be able to continue to 'serve' you with Windows 11".

Partially agreed. Problem here is that rumor was so widespread that correcting it would probably cause damage too. How you "fix" false rumor if that is already found on multiple websites? Basically MS could tell those websites f*cked up, we f*cked up and everyone just shouldn't believe what we say. That would probably be bad business.

Today amount of information is sop huge that not many actually remember any of that when Windows 11 is launched. So there was not real reason to fix that rumor. Like you said, it probably had some effect on how quick Windows 10 was updated from Windows 7. Since Microsoft still offers Windows 11 free for Windows 10 users, that's not really that big deal. Since "last version of Windows" is still free for those who owned previous "last" version.

 

[STbob]

I took your suggestion, and read the entire PC Mag article you linked

But, "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows", wasn't merely started by a bunch of random websites. It was an (intentional ?), misstatement made by an upper tier M$ official during a press conference touting the new OS.

Now, what you have here is "plausible deniability", to the tune of "whoops, one of our execs got overly excited and blurted that out". Yet M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by letting that version scenario play out, and propagate what they've now disavowed. describing it as a "rumor". So now, the "rumor" is being blamed on websites who took the press conference statement verbatim and ran with it.

M$ had everything to gain and nothing to lose by allowing that to happen.

M$ itself is fully complicit and responsible for allowing that to happen.

From the user's POV, "oh boy, Windows 10 is the last version of Windows ever, and it's fee with my Win 7 license". This had to influence a higher rate of 10's adoption, while the powers that be at M$ kicked back and did nothing to stop it.

Furthermore, early updates of Win 10, were essentially the installation of an entire new OS, further reinforcing the notion that win 10 , "would go on forever".

No quarter or respite was ever given to Windows 10 users with inadequate bandwidth to cope with that nonsense. Because after all, "Windows is now a service". and no longer an OS that you buy, and are allowed to delude yourself into believing you owned it.

When you come right down to it, the concept of Windows being a "service", is "execu-speak" for what a layman like myself of lower education and breeding might state thusly, "Windows is ours, and we're doing you a great big a** fu*king favor by allowing you pedestrian louts to partake of its splendor". "Now just shut up, and buy yourselves new systems, in order that we may be able to continue to 'serve' you with Windows 11".

Nice rant Captain, Look at me, I'm the Captain!

 

[Stoly]

Welp ............ Looks like Windows 10 is gonna be my last OS

F@%k That AI BS

I recall saying that with windows XP