Some hilarious comments here that’s all I have to say
The problem with that is then all the computers activated with that key would have to be reactivated with another. On the other hand, the longer they wait to fix the more computers they'll have to fix.
Regarding the O$ price (it'$ $o cool not to u$e 's'), have any of you thought about how much/little it'$ going to co$t a day or a year if you u$e it daily for, $ay, five year$?
Captain cranky said:
i don't think it could have been said better...but that rarely keeps me from trying.
I just love you anonymous 'Guest's' that do this drive by rubbish, and then try to take the moral high ground by hiding behind a disabled or downtrodden group. I have an autistic child, and myself have been want to become a recluse in my own solipsistic homogenized bubble, and I was not insulted. so you may take some of the tremendous weight of those world carrying shoulders and know that you can relieve yourself of the burden....and get off my side.
Oh yeah, Apple never overcharges for its OS. Ver 10.0 = $129.00, 10.1=$129.00, 10.2=$129.00, 10.3=$129.00, 10.4=$129.00, 10.5=$129.00, Snow Leopard =$29.00. The only reason they dropped that price is that Win 7 is coming out about the same time as Snow Leopard, and I think Snow Leopard is only a minor upgrade from 10.5.
I guess thats not bad for people who don't mind paying for upgrades that are not even full version updates, or people that don't mind paying Apples premium price for the same hardware that you can get in any budget PC.
Leaked OEM Master Key, or nextgen M$ PR work ?!?
Think about it!
OK, I realize you mean well, but as a whole, this is naive, idealistic nonsense.
The people who steal software will generate an excuse for doing so.
The people that buy software will give a reason for doing so.
individuals in those two demographics are unlikely to cross migrate, whatever the pricing incentive may become.
The story that,"I downloaded this game because it's too expensive", would quickly morph into, "I downloaded this game because it sucks too much to pay for", in the face of a substantial price drop.
As much as I hate to say this M$'s prices for an OS are actually reasonable when compared to other software. Adobe Photoshop CS4 is about 700 bucks. Their Acrobat Pro, is about three.
Well, I came home today from work thinking I'd join this forum as a signed up member, but actually I don't want to be part of a group of people who feel comments from guests are naturally subject to ridicule. I felt the autism comment was crass, I felt the lippy comment was too general, I also accept that some guests probably do hide behind their anonymity.
I still feel that fair pricing where a customer perceives real value (which IMHO doesn't seem to apply to M$) would reduce piracy. I also agree it wouldn't eliminate it completely because as someone said, some people will always feel they are entitled to someone else's intellectual property for free. I, as a consumer in the free world have a choice, and I choose to buy or use open source!
I made my point, I acknowledge and have assimilated the responses. On the whole, a good debate!
Now, all you smug account holders, why not give us 'guests' a good reason to feel it this is a worthwhile community to join!
(PS, I am the 29$ price point guy)
You made your point, now I'll make mine... If you claim to be and truly are "the 29$ price point guy" and only "the 29$ price point guy", there is no reason you should be offended by anything. We 'registered users' know our own comments and can't hide behind them. I've been a user here long enough (although active within a month, I've always visited) to see that only the 'guest' users are arrogant since they feel they don't need to follow the guidelines of the forum.
That being said, if you're not an arrogant 'guest' user and want to separate yourself from them, register, if not, we can't assume a difference between one or the other. There is a lot to be learned on this forum and a lot of registered users who appreciate that and show respect. If you like what you see on this forum, and want to separate yourself from the arrogant guest, do so, if not, don't. One thing I would like to see banned on this site are guest users being able to post, because they ruin the friendship we have here for all.:evil:
Barack Obama said on camera that he had done something stupid, and that that had made him feel "like he was a special needs person". I thought it was a quite funny, self effacing way of saying, "I goofed"! Of course the "special needs, special interests" got a hold of that and all hell broke loose. So, you can feel however you choose about the "autism" comment. For my part I'll tell you how I feel about it. Mental ilness is certainly not funny, when it it used a a device of ridicule toward those who suffer from it. But, I shall continue to make any form of mental illness a pathway to insult, if I believe person is sound of mind, and acting contrary to the credit I've already afforded them, for expecting that that person is sound of mind and should be behaving so. So IMHO, someone is actually innocent of stupidity or mental defect, until proving themself otherwise in my assessment. The trouble is, with certain posters, it doesn't take but one shot to change my mind.
I said that, or somethng very similar. I just hold a far dimmer view of human nature than you do,which BTW, I think I'm entitled to, do to my extended experience of dealing with them. I'm likely older than you, and to quote a Carrie Underwood song, "the more boys I meet, the more I love my dog".
I find contensiousness stimulating. What a boring place to visit this website, if all of us sat around with the exact same opinion on every subject. The reality is, that if someone issues a different viewpoint, it forces you to re-eva,uate your own, and that can never be a bad thing
Exactly do you you think you are, to make such a sweeping gereralization about the membership? Why, I think I've been insulted. That said, you couldn't have done it right, or I'd know I'd been insulted!
Point 2; Our red carpet is at the cleaners. I can't think of any tangible reason to pander to guest posters. You knew you had a view to express when you "rang in", and you also knew beforehand that others didn't agree with you.
If you decide you'd like to join the fray, by all means, roll up your sleeves and dive in.
But, be aware that there is no Techspot membership designation as "martyr". I've already suggested you join. That's as much of an invitation as you're likely to get.
Forensic debate is what it is, and opinions expressed are just as likely to be embraced as to be ridiculed. So, the question really isn't one of us pandering to you to join the fold, but are you ready to grow a pair and dish it out it return.
Just as an aside, the post that elicited the "Autismlandia" comment, contained the phrase, "didn't worked"! How exactly would anyone expect to have themselves taken seriously with English syntax like that.
Since words are the only vehicle for opinion in a written forum, it occurs to me that it might be in order to exhibit some respect and reverance for the tools of the trade, as it were.
This is why Apple doesn't bother putting a serial or activation code into OS X. There will be a group that will also go around and another group that will always buy the software. Why not accept to reality instead of fighting it.
Because then we'd have nothing to argue about silly!
Thereyou go, I did join, and I look forward to further excellent debates. I have taken no offence at anything posted here, in fact, I have enjoyed reflecting on my position, and with Win7, it comes to this.
I installed Win7 Beta, and RC1, and found it to be superior to XP and (my limited knowledge of) Vista. I am appalled that there is no upgrade path from XP to Win7 (did I get that right?), and will consider whether M$ pricing this side of the pond is of a level where I will buy. I will not install a pirate copy though. I should point out that my Win machine is not my main machine, I am a Mac (and to some extent Linux) user. I will happily pay 29$ for Snow Leopard.
Onto the wider debate regarding the people who pirate, maybe I am naïve and have not been as exposed to that demograph as much as others. But I experienced some who have used pirated software, and who have been on the receiving end of some pretty nasty malware. In all cases, the pirated software was MS-Office, and in >90% of the cases have convinced those individuals to go the OpenOffice route successfully! However, I would welcome other users knowledge/experiences of this (maybe through my user email and not on this topic). Thanks.
and whats wrong with running pirated everything...?
Just for the sake of argument let's speculate; say for example software engineers start losing their jobs due to poor sales, then in not being able to afford to buy cars, the autoworkers start losing their jobs, because nobody 's buying cars, etc....
If at some point in your life you could have intellectual property which you might depend on for income, say for instance photographs, and then you see somebody else using them on their website to lure business, without paying you for using them, you'll know the answer to that question, without having someone tell you. Maybe you'll write some songs, publish an album, don't expect to make any money off that either. Would it be all right with you if I just grab a copy for free off Limewire? How about you write a great program, like say maybe a great game, then what?
Copyright violation through digital means is stealing, not because I say so, because the DMCA says so, practically worldwide. So, the moral discussion is entertaining, but moot.
Now, open source and freeware is quite another issue. If you can satisfy you needs through these venues, more power to you. It doesn't make sense to pay Symantec for AV software, when you can get a better product for free. That's on Symantic, they'll have to come up with something better to convince you, you'd be better off paying for their product, than keeping the free stuff.
In modern times people have developed an exaggerated sense of entitlement, and it appears that we can't tell the difference between what's mine, yours, or theirs.
If none of that fails to move you, you can always rationalize any theft of product or services with "The Robin Hood Theory". It doesn't make it right, but it squelches some of the guilt.
BTW, this site does have a policy of not allowing any technical discussions or methodology with respect to software cracking, or copyright circumvention, just FYI.
Maybe we start a discussion on how much we think Win7 is worth. I'll kick off... A single version (not home, ultimate, basic, whatever), for a single user - 49€. Family pack 99€.
This is the first time in a long time I've been unable to stop reading comments on a story - especially for one with this many posts. A great and entertaining debate/conversation going on here. Glad you joined us Algoz and hope you stay active and don't mind dissonance. As CC said earlier, it forces you to re-evaluate your own views and I appreciate that.
Anyway, regarding $29 question about how much we think Win7 is worth, I'll attempt to put things in perspective a bit just to generate thought:
At a current price of say $200 for an OS (give or take), lets estimate conservatively you will use your computer with that OS for about 6 hours a day, 365 days a year. Again, conservatively lets say you will use that PC/OS for 5 years. The cost to you for that OS becomes less than 2 cents per day. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me
Oh yeah, welcome $29/Algoz :grinthumb
OK, up front this is a bit of a stretch, but bear with me. ATM an OEM copy is a $100.00 (give or take). So if you BYOPC, and use it along the lines of your estimate, that would break down to a penny a day. People throw pennies in the street and/or don't even bother to pick them up. That said, if you could find and save one a day, after 5 years, you'd have enough saved for Windows 8, or obviously your old OS for free. Even if you didn't do this, a penny a day is still a steal, pardon the pun.
People loose sight of the value of software well, because it's not hardware.
The reason SL is so cheap is because it is basically an optimized Leopard with a few visual tweaks, Quicktime X, and dropped PPC support (which is probably how they optimized and shrank it).
But really thats about how 7 is to Vista, so I think 7 is worth about $29 to me, I might be willing to allow someone to convince me up to about $50 because that is how much the minor upgrade (some will argue how much of an upgrade) from 98 to ME cost, it was called a Step-Up version.
I do like the Family Pack idea for $150, I think that has been confirmed. The problem is I only have 2 PCs capable of running 7, and everyone else in my family either has a machine too underspec'd for 7, or is using a Macintosh.
SNG you could always buy the family pack of 3 for $150, sell the extra copy for $92 and effectively bring the cost of the two you keep to BAM...$29 each.
(puts pinky to corner of mouth and says "hmmmm")
While I wouldn't mind that Vista Ultimate users would get a free upgrade, I'll probably buy the retail 7 Professional or Ultimate this time as well. I'm going to wait until next year though as RC works fine.
"Pirating is still stealing!
Stealing is not socially or morally acceptable in society!
(if you think its acceptable go to somalia and be kidnapped, lets see how "cool" it is then)
The fact that you do speaks volumes!
Jumping on the bandwagon and pirating because lots of other people do does not mitigate your actions but shows more about the person and character you are.
So like a good lemming follow the pack as we all know where that ends!
Haha Captain Cranky always wins.