http://www.theinquirer.net/05030214.htm

I really hope that the .13 process will cool the CPUs down a bit compared to the current ones...

Almost time to sell my old rig to my flatmate and upgrade to Thoroughbred ;)

That is incorrect. The date is not nearly that soon.

Originally posted by wizard
That is incorrect. The date is not nearly that soon.
Please submit your substantiation.
AMD's own roadmap projected release in the ˝ of 2002

'Thoroughbred' AMD Athlon XP
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/specials/2001/reviews/2002.html
Not to be outdone by Intel, AMD will release its 0.13 micron desktop processor, codenamed 'Thoroughbred', in the first half of 2002.

Thoroughbred out on the 20th of March
http://www.theinquirer.net/05030214.htm
WE NOW HAVE confirmation from sources close to AMD's plans that the first Thoroughbred will be released on the 20th of March.

Try refreshing on the story.

Notice the UPDATE2

That's your substantiation?

http://www.theinquirer.net/05030214.htm
UPDATE II Some say that the 20th of March is not the Thoroughbred date.. We'll see what we come up with further on this front, tomorrow.

Originally posted by uncleel
That's your substantiation?



that is the "substation" I wished to show you because quite frankly it was the easiest one.

TSMC has not been able to move over to the .13micron production size and that is why the GF4 is .15micron, the ATi R250 is delayed as well as a whole slew of other companies being put on hold.

I spoke with a friend in AMD about this and he assured me that the date is not this month.



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please watch your temper

I don't see any reference to the article on your website.
http://www.pcparadox.com/
the looney bin of all gaming

March 05, 2002
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What about your forum?
http://www.pcparadox.com/forums/
Moderator: TheCorp, Wizard

Originally posted by uncleel
I don't see any reference to the article on your website.
http://www.pcparadox.com/


Of course there is no reference to it, I don't waste reader time with useless speculation.

Originally posted by wizard
TSMC has not been able to move over to the .13micron production size and that is why the GF4 is .15micron, the ATi R250 is delayed as well as a whole slew of other companies being put on hold.

I spoke with a friend in AMD about this and he assured me that the date is not this month.
AMD has their own manufacturing plants and are in no way dependant on TSMC...

Furthermore AMD has already displayed their next gen *HAMMER* CPU; it was the first A0 core made on .13 micron so I'm quite sure they already know how to build on .13 micron...

And lastly the Thoroughbred is nothing more than a die shrunken Palomino > Thus it's not a "difficult" switch to make...

Thoroughbred will probably come out of the Dresden, Germany plant. As I stated, AMD's own cpu roadmap projected release in the ˝ of 2002.

Having worked for a multinational corporation, the avg. joe employee is the last to know any news. Otherwise the stock I could have purchased!
:D

Ahhh it's refreshing to see that The Inq is now apologizing for the error. Like I said originally the Thoroughbred is still a long ways away. http://www.theinquirer.net/09030201.htm
So all those fools that wasted so much time trying to prove me wrong can........*

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Really wizard, don't you think you conduct is unbecoming of a 20 year old man, & a moderator on another forum?!

Thoroughbred - we were wrong ...but also sort of right
http://www.theinquirer.net/09030201.htm

In our original story - AMD Thoroughbred on the 20th of March, we suggested that the next breed of chips might be out very soon but what we did was add one and one, make three, and got our knickers in a good old twist.

In fact, on the 20th of March, many motherboard manufacturers will receive fully working samples of the Thoroughbred - as usual these people are the first to get them so they can make boards that will run properly at release.

Sources a cigarette paper's width away from AMD confirm that's what's happening round about the 20th, and that we won't see fully fledged machines running the Thoroughbred until about eight weeks afterwards.

That chimes with the roadmaps we published in January



Exactly. AMD's own roadmap projected release of Thoroughbred
in the ˝ of 2002. We had hoped sooner rather than later.

From www.amd.com :

HANOVER, GERMANY -- March 13, 2002 --At CeBIT, AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced that it plans to begin shipping AMD Athlon™ XP processors codenamed “Thoroughbred” based on .13 micron technology to customers later this month.

The move to state-of-the-art .13 process technology represents a significant evolution for the AMD Athlon processor family. With this transition, AMD expects its processors to deliver improved performance, lower power and smaller die sizes.

“AMD’s leadership in manufacturing technology and outstanding design capabilities helps ensure that this small die will give us even more advantage in the future,” said Bill Siegle, senior vice president and chief scientist, Technology Operations, AMD. “Our outstanding Fab 30 team in Dresden is already approaching mature yields for the 80mm2 ‘Thoroughbred’ die.”

On .13 micron technology, the “Thoroughbred” core of the AMD Athlon XP processor is approximately 38 percent smaller than the current AMD Athlon XP processor on .18 process technology.

“Our closest competitor’s most recently announced processor on .13 micron technology is nearly 83 percent larger than AMD’s .13 process solution,” Siegle said. “Moving to .13 micron technology will enable us to produce higher-performing products while lowering costs, putting us in an even stronger competitive position.”

By the end of 2002, AMD expects that all of the AMD Athlon processor family will be produced on .13 micron technology. AMD also expects to begin shipping its next-generation processor codenamed “Hammer,” which uses a silicon-on-insulator (SOI) version of the .13 micron technology, at the end of the year.



This seems to be confirmation of the release date.

Also from www.amd.com :

Forward-looking statements are generally preceded by words such as “plans,” “expects,” “believes,” “anticipates” or “intends”. Investors are cautioned that all forward-looking statements in this release involve risks and uncertainty that could cause actual results to differ materially from current expectations.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/styleone/Processor-Roadmap-12-12-01.gif

1st half of 2002 (jan, feb, march, april, may, june)....

Thamk you Arris :grinthumb
Originally posted by uncleel
Thoroughbred will probably come out of the Dresden, Germany plant. As I stated, AMD's own cpu roadmap projected release in the ˝ of 2002.

So much for the 0.13micron process. Intel has demo-ed the 0.09 micron process recently:

http://www.vr-zone.com/#2181

Seems like AMD has some catchup to do in terms of shrinking stuff down :D

Cnet's article about Intel and the 90nanometer process... (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-857797.html?tag=cd_mh)
From Cnet.com :

The 130-nanometer chips began to arrive commercially in the middle of 2001; 90-nanometer chips are expected to hit shelves next summer. Proof-of-concept chips generally come out a year or so before actual commercial production.



I know they have some experimental 0.90 memory but it sounds like its going to be the middle of 2003 before we see any intel processors at this scale.

lokem posted:
AMD demonstrated Thoroughbred & Hammer @ CEBIT ( tradeshow in Germany)
http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=611
This new processor should arrive as of the end of the month, at the beginning of April at the latest on the market.

Thoroughbred at CeBIT
http://www.tecchannel.de/news/20020316/images/0009697_PIC.jpg
Source: www.hardOCP.com

Looks like it will be a bit longer for the Thoroughbred then... :(

I am waiting very anxiously for the new processor. Currently, I am projecting having one in my new machine. If they take a while to ramp up production, I may have to go with the XP 1800 or 1900.

Crossing my fingers.

It says AMD was showcasing a 2800+ CPU, does anyone know at what speed that CPU is running ? I'm guessing 2.2 GHZ.

Hey Gang,

Saw this over at the Inquirer, rumors abound about hammer comming sooner than expected (YES).

Here it is for reading.

Hammer soon? (http://www.theinquirer.net/23030201.htm)

After my GeForce4 im definatly going to save up for one of those they look pretty amazing, and now i it looks like they will be the same price as Athlons, this could be when AMD overtakes Intel!!

As, Ive only ever had Pentium but ive had 6 Athlons and i cant understand the logic in anyone buying a P4, when an equally clocked Athlon is FASTER and CHEAPER!!

Heres some more stuff about 64bit processors if anyone is interested:

http://www.hardwaremania.com/reviews_eng/hammer/hammer1.shtml (http://)

Hey gang,

I have one that has me stumped. I bought a 1600+ last week, on the 22 of march. I also bought a 1900+ on the 21st. The 1900 is the usual brownish color, but the 1600 was green, no sign of the usual brownish. Anyone know why ? It was marked correctly and I have seen other pictures of green ones. And no I am not talking about the small die, I mean the whole package. Can any of you help ?? Thanks

All AMD processors will soon be shifting to that green package. AMD says it reflects more the company Logo.

http://www.amd.com/images/hd_amd_lg.gif

In my calculations 2.2Ghz seems about right for the 2800+ Diduo:grinthumb

Desktop Thoroughbred to Come in June
by Julio @ 10:57 PM - [Comments]

According to our sources, the official launch of Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) will take place only in the second half of June. The first Athlon XP on the new core will be marked as 2400+ and will have the actual clock frequency of 1.933GHz. Besides, there will also be slower Thoroughbred CPUs coming rated as 2000+ and 2200+, which will replace the existing Palomino models.

Moreover, to fill the gap remaining until Thoroughbred launch, AMD will release one more Athlon XP on the 0.18micron Palomino core in Q2’02. it will be Athlon XP 2200+ working at the actual frequency of 1.8GHz.

More details can be found on x-bit news story. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/story.html?id=1017654792

Check out this little article I found detailing the future of the Thoroughbred processor. Sorry no text, just a detailed mapping, and I don't know how to post that. :(

http://www.vr-zone.com/#2251

0.13 micron process
256KB L2 Cache
Default VCore 1.6V
80mm2 Die Size compared to 128mm2 for Palomino
Launch between Mid April - Mid May
Start from 2200+ (1.8Ghz)
AIQAA-stepping and 0204 (Week 4/02)
No performance differences between Palomino and Thoroughbred
Overclocked from 1700+ (1.466Ghz) to 1900+ (1.6Ghz) with a VCore voltage of 1.75V


From a tested 1700+ Thoroughbred.


Author: Sampsu Kurri
April 4, 2002
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/tbred_sample/

We received the same Thoroughbred CPU to our testlab which was seen at the Cebit 2002. The core of the CPU is built on 0.13µ process technology and it's considerably smaller than the 0.18µ Palomino core. The surface are of Thoroughbred core is 80mm2 and Palomino's core is 128mm2. It says "Mechanical Sample" on the top of the T-Bred core. There is also a sticker which says AIQAA-stepping and 0204. This means that the CPU was finished at week 4/02.

I installed Thoroughbred to new Epox 8K3A+ motherboard and turned the power on. Everything went fine although 8K3A+ didn't recognize Thorougbred and said it was Unknown CPU type. Default multiplier seems to be 11x so the CPU was working at 1466MHz clock frequency. PR-Rating would be equal to 1700+. I don't know the offical Vcore for Thoroughbred but I adjusted it to 1,65V. System booted fine to Windows XP.

I ran few tests and didn't face any problems. Unfortunately I can't tell you any benchmark scores but since there are no differences between Palomino and Thoroughbred than manufacturing process, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out that there are not much which could bring more performance.

The next thing I tried, was overclocking the CPU. With 1,65V Vcore I was able to reach 1550MHz. With 1,75V Vcore I was able to pass all benchmarks when the CPU was running at 1600MHz (equal to 1900+).

Just noticed this on www.amdzone.com:


MD Thoroughbred (Model 8) 1700+
Date: 3.4.2002
Author: Sampsa Kurri

http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/tbred_sample/

Incoming goods received the same Thoroughbred CCU ton our test lab which which lakes RK the Cebit 2002. The core OF the CCU is built on 0.13µ process technology and it's considerably more smaller than the 0.18µ Palomino core. The surface acres OF Thoroughbred core is 80mm 2 and Palomino's core is 128mm 2 . It says "Mechanical SAM-polarizes" on the top OF the t-Bred core. There is thus A more sticker which says AIQAA stepping and 0204. This means that the CCU which finished RK week 4/02.

I in valley LED Thoroughbred ton of new Epox 8KÁ+ motherboard and turned the power on. Everything went fine although 8KÁ+ didn't recognize Thorougbred and said it which Unknown CCU type. Default more multiplier seems tons 11x so the CCU which working RK 1466MHz clock frequencies. PR Rating would equal tons of 1700+. I don't know the offical Vcore for Thoroughbred but I adjusted it tons of 1,65V. system booted fine tons of Windows XP.

Great article Lokum, now all we have to do is wait til they come out and hope they go beyond Intels 2.4. Have you read some of the AMD stuff, there are rumors abound with Thoroughbred and Hammer. Makes some interesting reading.

Originally posted by boeingfixer
Great article Lokum, now all we have to do is wait til they come out and hope they go beyond Intels 2.4. Have you read some of the AMD stuff, there are rumors abound with Thoroughbred and Hammer. Makes some interesting reading.

Thanks. What are the rumours regarding the Hammer and Thoroughbred?

Originally posted by lokem


Thanks. What are the rumours regarding the Hammer and Thoroughbred?

All the info that we see and post here. Hammer comming sooner than later. Thoro comming in March (which is past) Thoro not really a big deal. Thoro may be passing Intel in Mhz, Hammer may be comming even sooner than October. All kinds Lok. Dig around at the AMD articles, they are everywhere.

Originally posted by boeingfixer


All the info that we see and post here. Hammer comming sooner than later. Thoro comming in March (which is past) Thoro not really a big deal. Thoro may be passing Intel in Mhz, Hammer may be comming even sooner than October. All kinds Lok. Dig around at the AMD articles, they are everywhere.

Oh those ;) I thought there's something else which is even more interesting :D

Originally posted by lokem


Oh those ;) I thought there's something else which is even more interesting :D

Well there probably is, but we aren't privey to it yet ;)

No offensive to you Lokem, but I just wanted to let you know that I posted this yesterday in the Got News forum under the Thoroughbred thread. Here's the link:

http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376&pagenumber=2

It is a great article though. Also, take a look at the future AMD and Intel roadmaps I've got a link to in that same post, they are quite interesting.

On the topic of when the new processors are coming out I keep hearing that the Thoroughbred is coming in June, but who really knows. Also, like boeing said, the hammer is "supposed" to be out in the fall.

I merged the two together so everyone is on the same page..

Thanks svtcobra! :)

Hey gang,

Caught this over at the Inquirer.

Thoroughbred to launch mid-May
By Mike Magee, 12/04/2002 10:18:54 BST

A CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT SEEN by the INQUIRER shows that AMD will introduce a model 2200+ (1.8GHz) Thoroughbred XP between "mid-May and the end of June".

Full story here T-Bred in May, Hammer comming sooner (http://www.theinquirer.net/12040204.htm)

Nice info, hopfully Hammer will be sooner than later.

Just read that article as well. Not sure how authentic their "confidential" source is. Anyway, how do we know whether our mobo supports the 2.0GHz CPUs?

Here's what they have to say:


AMD is warning that to support 2.0GHz operations, the onboard regulator must be capable of yielding 45 amps.

Yeah I like how they dropped that in there, but at least now we can try to research it and see if our personnal boards support it. If they aren't thru the roof when they come out, I may just hold off and get a Hammer at the end of the year. My 1900+ should make it until then. But mabee it will be a 2100 by then....who knows ;)

Originally posted by boeingfixer
Yeah I like how they dropped that in there, but at least now we can try to research it and see if our personnal boards support it. If they aren't thru the roof when they come out, I may just hold off and get a Hammer at the end of the year. My 1900+ should make it until then. But mabee it will be a 2100 by then....who knows ;)

They can be amazingly subtle sometimes :D Heheeh... I'm quite certain that my mobo (Epox 8KHA+) will support the 2GHz chip since pple have been oc-ing using this mobo like mad ;)

Any idea on how high the Thoroughbreds can go up to?

Originally posted by lokem


They can be amazingly subtle sometimes :D Heheeh... I'm quite certain that my mobo (Epox 8KHA+) will support the 2GHz chip since pple have been oc-ing using this mobo like mad ;)

Any idea on how high the Thoroughbreds can go up to?

If memeroy serves me, I believe I saw something like 2.6ish. Then Hammer takes over. Let me do some digging and see if I can find out on paper somewhere !

QUOTE: above link

A CONFIDENTIAL DOCUMENT SEEN by the INQUIRER shows that AMD will introduce a model 2200+ (1.8GHz) Thoroughbred XP between "mid-May and the end of June".

AMD is warning that to support 2.0GHz operations, the onboard regulator must be capable of yielding 45 amps.

And the 2.0GHz Athlon XP's model number is still to be decided it appears, as the following snap somewhat bafflingly shows.

Originally posted by boeingfixer


If memeroy serves me, I believe I saw something like 2.6ish. Then Hammer takes over. Let me do some digging and see if I can find out on paper somewhere !

That's rather low IMO ;) I would expect those guys to push the 0.13 process up to perhaps 3.5-4Ghz :D

Thanks for the effort BTW!

Hey Lokum, I did some cruizin and found this roadmap that talks of T-bred up to 2800+. Here is the link.

Roadmap (http://www.geek.com/procspec/amd/thoroughbred.htm)

If I find any more I will let you know. It is my opinion that AMD is going to "milk" the Athlon line until late this year or early next year and dump it when Hammer takes off.

Originally posted by boeingfixer
If I find any more I will let you know. It is my opinion that AMD is going to "milk" the Athlon line until late this year or early next year and dump it when Hammer takes off.

I agree boeing. This is where we're going to see if AMD is for real and up to the challenge with Intel. The Hammer, IMO, will determine if AMD is a real competitor or if Intel can just come out with a similar chip and keep their dominant share of the market. Expectations are high for the Hammer from the critics, as are mine, and I just have to hope it will spank anything Intel can offer. Until then, I'll be on the edge of my seat......

We can all hope. I also read another good article somewhere, don't remember, anyway, AMD really has no choice as they have VERY limited FAB space. They cannot compete by making Duron, Athlon, and two types of Hammers, they simply don't have the manufacturing capabilities. But as with you Super, I am awaiting hammer too. Hopfully it will be Intel's day of reconning !