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Old 03-26-2005
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Use 2 Linksys Routers Together

Hi. In one room of my house, I have a TiVo, Xbox, and computer. I want them all hooked up to my network. My router [Linksys BEFW11S4] in one room, has 1 cable coming into this room. I have a 4 port router [Linksys BEFSR41] that I want to split the 1 wire coming into this room off to the Xbox, TiVo, and computer. How do I do this? Plugging the incoming wire into the WAN port doesn't seem to work. What do it do?
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Old 03-27-2005
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Plug the incoming wire into one of the LAN ports. Disable DHCP on one of the routers.
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Old 03-27-2005
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I thought you where supposed to use the uplink for the second router?
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Old 03-27-2005
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I think it needs to be in the first spot on the LAN on the 2nd router, as Nodsu said. But you still need to disable DHCP to get it to work properly.
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Old 03-27-2005
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I've tried plugging the incoming cable [plugged into port 2 on the first router] into the Uplink, WAN, and LAN 1. None of them work. I have DHCP disabled on router 1, nothing, enabled it on 1 and disabled it on 2, nothing. I look at the status of router 2, and it only has the Subnet Mask and the DNS Servers. I tried putting everything else in manually, nothing. I'll give more detailed information when I get home.
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Old 03-27-2005
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Ok. Here's my setup.
DSL Modem>Wireless router [plugged into WAN port]
From the wireless router>Computer 1, 2, and WIRED Router [plugged into Port 1, 3, and 2]
Into WIRED router cable from PORT 2 going into WAN port.
DOES NOT WORK
Into WIRED router cable from PORT 2 going into UPLINK port.
DOES NOT WORK
Into WIRED router cable from PORT 2 going into PORT 1, 2, 3, OR 4.
DOES NOT WORK
I'm stuck here. What do I do?
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Old 03-28-2005
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To save yourself a lot of headaches, forget about the WAN ports. WAN is where your internet (the DSL modem) goes. Everything else is your LAN.

Oh. and make sure your routers don't have the same local IP address

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"Does not work" means what?
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Old 03-28-2005
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found this
[LEFT]Router \textit{A} [/LEFT] [RIGHT] Router \textit{B}[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] WAN: --> ISP modem [/LEFT] [RIGHT] WAN: Empty ethernet [/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Configured for ISP [/LEFT][RIGHT] Static IP with Gateway 0.0.0.0[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]LAN: [/LEFT] [RIGHT] LAN:[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]IP=192.168.0.1[/LEFT] [RIGHT] IP=192.168.0.233[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] Subnet 255.255.255.0[/LEFT] [RIGHT]Subnet 255.255.255.255[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] DHCP: Enabled [/LEFT] [RIGHT]DHCP: Disabled[/RIGHT]
LAN Ethernet Cabling:

(1) <======================> (1)

(2) --> PC1 (2)

(3) --> PC2 (3)

(4) --> PC3 (4)

router (B) wan set to static 0's
let us know whats up

Last edited by Samstoned; 03-28-2005 at 06:41 PM..
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Old 03-28-2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Samstoned
found this
[LEFT]Router \textit{A} [/LEFT] [RIGHT] Router \textit{B}[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] WAN: --> ISP modem [/LEFT] [RIGHT] WAN: Empty ethernet [/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Configured for ISP [/LEFT][RIGHT] Static IP with Gateway 0.0.0.0[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]LAN: [/LEFT] [RIGHT] LAN:[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]IP=192.168.0.1[/LEFT] [RIGHT] IP=192.168.0.233[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] Subnet 255.255.255.0[/LEFT] [RIGHT]Subnet 255.255.255.255[/RIGHT]
[LEFT] DHCP: Enabled [/LEFT] [RIGHT]DHCP: Disabled[/RIGHT]
[CENTER]LAN Ethernet Cabling:[/CENTER]
[CENTER] (1) <======================> (1)[/CENTER]
[CENTER] (2) --> PC1 (2)[/CENTER]
[CENTER](3) --> PC2 (3)[/CENTER]
[CENTER](4) --> PC3 (4)[/CENTER]
router (B) wan set to static 0's
let us know whats up
I followed your instructions, but just can't get it to work. By that, I mean, the computer hooked up to the wired router cannot connect to the internet, or the wireless router's IP. It can connect to the wired router's IP [setup page] and work in there, and that's about all. I had to specify the IP for the computer myself because I turned DHCP off. By subnet, did you mean the subnet for the LAN or WAN? Either way, I can't set it to 255. I'm sorry, but this just doesn't want to cooperate. Just for clarification, my setup. They didn't like having their IP's changed, so I left them alone. [They've been changed, but can go back to 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2 or w/e if needed]

[LEFT]WIRELESS[/LEFT] [RIGHT]WIRED[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]WAN: DSL Modem[/LEFT] [RIGHT]WAN: Nothing[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]LAN IP: 205.100.255.100[/LEFT] [RIGHT]LAN IP: 205.100.255.101[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]WAN IP: ISP's[/LEFT] [RIGHT]WAN IP: 0.0.0.0[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]WAN Subnet: 255.255.255.0[/LEFT] [RIGHT]WAN Subnet: 255.255.255.0[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]WAN Defualt Gateway: ISP's[/LEFT] [RIGHT]WAN Default Gateway: 0.0.0.0[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]DHCP: Enabled[/LEFT] [RIGHT]DHCP: Disabled[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Port 1: Server[/LEFT] [RIGHT]Port 1: Computer[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Port 2: Cat-5 going to wired[/LEFT] [RIGHT]Port 2: Cat-5 coming from wireless[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Port 3: Computer Port[/LEFT] [RIGHT]3: TiVo[/RIGHT]
[LEFT]Port 4: Unused Port[/LEFT] [RIGHT]4: Xbox[/RIGHT]

I set the wired router to act as a router, instead of a gateway [read that somewhere else]

What do I do now?
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Old 03-28-2005
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does wireless use usb cable or cat5e
cannot use usb for this setup
if you connect any device other than the 2nd router to the
wireless do you get a connection
to set the nic cards up you need the normal static ip
something like 192.168.1.150
then you need the DNS of your isp look at the status of your connected router its there 2 sets of numbers
lan side wireless 192.168.1.1 wired 192.168.1.255
try not using the port 1 on the wireless
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Old 03-28-2005
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Originally Posted by Samstoned
does wireless use usb cable or cat5e
cannot use usb for this setup
if you connect any device other than the 2nd router to the
wireless do you get a connection
to set the nic cards up you need the normal static ip
something like 192.168.1.150
then you need the DNS of your isp look at the status of your connected router its there 2 sets of numbers
lan side wireless 192.168.1.1 wired 192.168.1.255
try not using the port 1 on the wireless
There is no USB in the system anywhere.
Yes, I have my desktop running off of the cable I'd normally plug into the second router. [Yes, I plug that into the router when I work on it, but when I deem it not working, I plug it back into the desktop]

After playing around with the routers, they finally changed their IP's. BUT, the wired won't go as high as 255. So, it's 192.168.1.245 instead of 192.168.1.255. I unplugged Port 1 on the wireless, and set the desktop connected to the wired to 192.168.1.150 w/ DNS that of my ISP's. I can connect to the wired's setup page, but not the wireless'. I pinged the wired router, fine. Pinged the wireless, no go. Can't get an outside page on the wired, nor a computer on the wireless. It's like, the wired and wireless aren't even talking to each other. What now? [P.S. Thaks for all your help so far]
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Old 03-29-2005
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here is what linksys says
so you are getting closer the 192.168.1.124 is right
I think the first router needs dhcp disabled see the link
and using the uplink if it is available is first choice
http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...i=&p_topview=1
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Old 03-29-2005
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What is the TCP/IP setup on the computer? If it is automatic then did you refresh it after setting up the routers?
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Old 04-14-2005
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Sorry I took so long. I made a diagram of my network setup, so you could see what I have going, and what is wrong.

I tried what the Linksys site said, but it didn't work.

Edit: Hmm, apparently it didn't upload the picture, even though I attached it. Re-attached it.
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Old 04-15-2005
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try setting up the 2nd router lan ip as 192.168.1.125 or something like that
maybe theres an ip number conflict
lookup info on the subnet mask may need to change all from 2nd router to 255.255.254.0
my 3 layer switch uses it's own ip address number ?
so my router goes to the switch ip address of 192.168.1.110
and all other ports are any number above 1
when a add another switch the netmask changes on that switch
ip numbers 192.168.2.100 subnet mask 255.255.254.0
also try unblocking wan Request on 2nd router as last resort
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Old 04-17-2005
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Well, I found out what the problem was. I tried all of the above, and it STILL didn't work. I tried the input in port 1, 2, 3, 4, uplink, and wan. I tried everything I could think of. Then, I got to wondering, does this piece of junk even work? I went into where the main router is, and switched it out. 3 hours later, I still couldn't get it to register a WAN IP. So, I've come to the concluision that it's dead.

I'm going to buy a new something to put in. What do you suggest I get? Hub or switch? What is the cheapest? Which works better? I have one ethernet cable coming into this room, but want to branch off to 3 devices. What should I use? Thanks!!!
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Old 04-17-2005
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A 10/100 Mbit hub would be the cheapest and slowest. Mind you that your internet connection is most likely orders of magnitude slower than a hub anyway and you will see the "slowness" only when transferring data between local machines.

Next up is a 10/100 Mbit switch. It will perform far better under heavy load and bidirectional traffic.

Next up a gigabit switch. This would be useful if you were transferring a lot of data between the local computers with gigabit network interfaces.
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Old 04-17-2005
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Well I dont have any gigabit devices, so I'm narrowing it down to the 10/100 hub and switch. How slow are we talking with the hub? I do transfer a LOT of information over the network, and your right, DSL is much slower than even 10 mb/s.
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Old 04-17-2005
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A hub will allow you to transfer roughly 10 megabytes per second in one direction. This means that any traffic in any other directions will be very slow and will significantly slow down the original connection too.

A good switch will give you 10 MB/s in and out through every port. Cheaper switches usually can't handle full speed through all ports at the same time and you will get slowdowns at very high loads.
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Old 04-19-2005
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If you are using 2 pc's a lot or one is a server
you should start with an unmanaged switch not a hub
from the setup that was shown assuming system will be under some traffic load a hub will slow this dwn alot
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