BF, I wouldn't try to find out unless you like Athlon XP flambe.

The thing with the thermal diodes used in the XP is that the mobo makers have to build in a mechanism to throttle or shut down the computer once the CPU's threshold hits a certain point (like current Intel boards). To my knowledge, there are no Socket A mobos currently in production that can take advantage of the XP's thermal diode to do that. The only successful test that I'm aware of is the one THG did with a specially modified Socket A board some time back.

Athlons have got cooler since their initial release (in relation to their performance) but until AMD switch to a smaller manufacturing process, they are not going to get any cooler.

Oh i knew it... someone bound to comment on my reply... but well, that was a nice one. I didn't know that the Athlon XP is also designed for the Windows XP. Guess I also have a lot to review. But like you said, it's also the value for money that we look into while buying AMD or Intel CPUs, and I don't blame you for sounding like an AMD fan because I sounded like an Intel fan there. Sometimes I feel that it's hard to choose between AMD and Intel -_-U

When speaking of AMD chips, I dont think I specified XP's, just their chips in general. EVERYONE knows of AMD's heat problems, it's not somthing I need to find 10 links to, if your a hardware enthusist, then you know. It's a fact, that is why motherboards have extra protection for them.

AMD chips do NOT perform 25% faster than Intel chips clock per clock. Northwood chips are performing on par. ANd, with the release of the new bus (133 or 566 whatever u call it), the P4 chips are surely going to pass AMD's ancient core. The overclockers have these things on a 200mhz bus (800!!!) and they are smoking ANYTHING in their way!

Intel chips are built better. Why do u think they overclock so good? AMD is now pushing their chips to the limit, sorta overclocking them. Intel P4's could hit 3.0GHZ NOW!

But, I like AMD chips. I think about 3 months ago if I were to purchace a PC, it would have been built around a TBIRD/XP platform. I just happend to wait til lthe Northwoods came out, and was impressed with cost/performance.

Everyone complains about how much P4s cost. Remember, they come with a heatsink that is probobly worth $30! If you factor that in, and the fact that there are some really KILLER mothervboards out there for under $100, you have a serious system. Intel also offers 3 options, DDR, SDRAM, RDRAM. Say what you will about each, it;s still a purchace option you can make.

I dont want to start a flame match about which is better, they both have strong/weak points. The facts are this:
AMD chips DO NOT handle heat well
Intel Northwood chips are on-par with XP's
Both systems are going to make any power user happy.

But Ace, you are the one who elevates this subject in the strongest rhetorical terms. I've posted numerous substanial replies to this same topic even in the old forums. [SIZE=1](UBB & Jawbreaker)[/SIZE] AMD can handle heat just fine! AMD Thermal Solutions
It's the overheat protection circuitry that's the question. Plus there's other (preformentioned) options.
CPU are going to get so fast & hot in the future, refrigeration will be needed.
I wouldn't base my purchasing decisions on, "The fan might fail!"

My CYRIX (w/ a 486 fan) RuLeZ !

IVE SEEN ONE BLOW IN FRONT OF MY EYES!

When you watch your hard earned money go up in smoke, it's not fun.
SYS: 1.4TBIRD, ABIT KT7E

What I did: I screwed up, I admit. I was tinkering around with the system, and rebooed.

Smoke belowed from the case.

My chip died. Reason? When I tinkered the heatsink ended up not being totally flat on the chip, kinda lifted up on ones side. I know I screwd up, but its no reason for a damn chip to catch fire. And this was NOT overclocked.

I have done some crazy stuff with INTEL chips, laped, instaall them lifted up ,fan seized, NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. When it hits home, it kinda ticks you off

by comparison, when your HD fails?

Hey 3DS Crazyace,

I would like to refute some of this again.

Please read what I said, I did not say the Athlon performs 25% better than the P-4, what I said may have been confusing. If I have an Athlon XP 1.5 and you have a P-4 2.0, my XP will run on par with your P-4...that is the same performance with a 25% deficit. The Athlon does this with superior core architecture. And if you think it is that easy to get the Northwood to 3.0, then why doesn't Intel just ace AMD and go straight for the throat and release it. Probably cause they can't. Intel is famous for the PAPER PROCESSOR.

Another thing, you say Intel offers 3 memory options. Why do you think they do ? Because AMD forced their hand (Intel) the P-4 with the superior Rambus was a dog....BARK BARK. And a P-4 with SDRAM is a crippled dog....BArk.....the only reason they offer 3 choices is to go against AMD on cost.

And if you throw away the $30 HSF, the P-4 is still more expensive.

But like I said and will say again, Hammer will change alot of all this.

its not that the Athlon has a "superior core architecture" it's just that Intel's use a lower instructions-per-clock-cycle, in order to produce higher mhz rated chips, in order to convince n00bies that they are better. Remember the old saying that higher numbers are better.

Anyway, as regards heat why do we not see any AMD based servers (or for that matter P4), most servers I have seen use either PIII's (because they run cool and stable) or P2/3/4 Xeons (Which are so expensive I don't know if they run cool or not)

The main point however is cost - AMD's chips have always been cheaper, this is a factor that Intel have tried to match and have proved they can't.

If money is no object then P4 and RAMBUS is a surefire winner in terms of both speed and stability. But if you can afford to sacrifice some stability then the athlon is a lot cheaper.

I'm happy with my Intel CPUs. I tested this overheating thing yesterday - removed the heatsink and turned the PC on. I got to BIOS, checked CPU temperature - it didn't show anything. Maybe it was too much . After a while, however, it froze. So I turned the power off, put heatsink & fan back and continued. I don't know exactly why but I've always liked Intel more than AMD. I had K6-2 once and my 286 is made by AMD, too.

Yea, I read that Intel dropped their support for RAMBUS a week or so ago. And I'm not a big RAMBUS fan. But I've yet to see a P4 DDR board that achieves the bench marks reached with the INTEL/RAMBUS combo. Maybe when they get DDR333 runnin good, (haven't read up on for a while) or a board that can make good use of it. I still have to believe all this DDR memory (the good stuff) is still priced higher than RAMBUS. It's like the worse of two evils, pay more for DDR or buy the unpopular RAMBUS that out performs it. Besides, an original purchase of 256Megs needs no upgrading. a single stick of 256Megs should be plenty to run anything I dicker around with.

Just lookin for a good, fast, solid comp.

Yeah, though Rambus outperforms it, it only outperformed the DDR ram by a little. And with the **speed of DDR ram increasing, DDR ram will outperform the Rambus ram some day.

** I was trying to say about the DDR266, DDR333 think, but I don't know how to describe the increasing of the numbers, so I described as increasing speed. pardon.

It kind of saddens me to think of Rambus just going down the drain. It has real potential, but like I saw in an earlier post the greedy companies like Intel got to it and ruined its future. Personally, I'm happy with my DDR memory, but I've seen many reviews talking about how Rambus outperformed all other memory by a long shot.

I wonder what Rambus could have been..........

If you are looking for the good stuff...

Read tomshardware review on the 256MB RDRAM, PC1066 533mgz system.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020225/index.html

Rambus brough their own downfall, not intel. Also this brought abit of a chuckle -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/24415.html

Got News? > AMD's Model Numbers, Intel query them
http://www.3dspotlight.com/vb/showth...=&threadid=546
AMD's Model Numbers Revisited
[SIZE=3]Will the Athlon XP's Success Force Intel -- and AMD -- To Clear CPU Confusion?[/SIZE] By Vince Freeman
http://hardware.earthweb.com/main/ar...989591,00.html

Hey uncleel,

Just to let you know, I may be going from a 1600+ (1.4) to the 1800 or 1900+ this week. So another no sale for Intel.

You know I am just having fun with you and you I right uncleel ??

If I am out of line, I will stop and apologize??

"AMD Athlon XP 1600+ 1600MHz @ 1600MHz "???

No it's a 1.4 in the "real" world, the 1800+ is like 1.57 I believe.

Or are you talking about my rig spec's, if you are I have to change that.

I went to you Anantech and saw that on the CPU space.

Anyway, this is mine

http://www.anandtech.com/mysystemrig.html?id=17149