AMD or Intel for graphic designers system?

[truflip]

$600-700 USD per computer? are keyboard, mice, monitors, speakers (if needed) in this price too? or are u just buying the towers?

heres a good link to decide whether to go for the intel or AMD set up:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=247&model2=211&chart=74

u can select the application that comes closest to what ur gonna be doing and compare the two CPUs side by side (P4 630 vs. AMD64 3200+)

also, will u be buying these parts at ur local store? or will u be ordering from online shops such as newegg?

so far im thinking u should have an AMD set up with atleast 1GB of ram and a basic videocard like the X300 (maybe with Hypermemory so if u ever wanna game it out a bit after work u can always ask for the extra memory heh.. )

 

[David Alexandru]

com'on lads....don't tell me you forgot about the p4 dual core HT which can process up to 4 threads ....X2 can process only 2

 

[truflip]

how much does it cost?

 

[David Alexandru]

not sure....a lot...i can tell you that...I'm not sure it's even launched

 

[Ruder]

com'on lads....don't tell me you forgot about the p4 dual core HT which can process up to 4 threads ....X2 can process only 2

Yes? Let's take your P4 (even try the P 955 EE) and do the Cinebench 2003 render test. Beat 25.4 seconds ...

 

[David Alexandru]

I'm talking about threads...maann

 

[DragonMaster]

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is 200$CAD more than Athlon 64 3000+

Have you looked for the price of Asus A8R-MVP mainboard compared to Abit KN8 Ultra?

(Forget that, just looked. It's 138$USD @ NewEgg compared to 100$)

My price references are not always good because my local store has even lower prices than online.
Asus A8R-MVP :
127$CAD (Local store)
138$USD (NewEgg.com)

 

[truflip]

seriously.. read the mans wants.. 600-700$ system.. the CPU alone is gonna kill that.. u guys r whack >_<

 

[MUSTANGPC]

oh yeah, forgot about that. In that case, go with a good Intel Pentium 4 HT processor.

Yes, INTEL is the way. Get an inexpensive board with an Intel 955 chipset, say a Foxconn instead of Intel board which could be expensive. Install an Intel HT 3.2GB Single-core CPU with maybe 2GB of memory. Of course a reasonably priced PCI-Express graphic board or wait for chance to win one. Now you have it...good luck! :grinthumb

 

[Otmakus]

seriously.. read the mans wants.. 600-700$ system.. the CPU alone is gonna kill that.. u guys r whack >_<

Yep, anything dual core isn't an option. And the budget is only for the case and what's inside (minus optical drives). As for the rest, the designers are using cheap Logitech keyboards and optical mouses (less than 15$), and 19" CRT Samsung and LG monitors. I can reuse those for the new systems.

I do graphics - 2D & 3D.

Get the AMD setup, but with 2 Gigs RAM.

For what your graphic people do - get the X300SE card. Get better monitors.

Yes, i plan to do that, although maybe the 2 gigs RAM can wait for the future.

Oh, and btw, in the site truflip mentioned (http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.h...l2=211&chart=74, P630 beat 3200+ venice easily in multitasking with 2 tasks, but it's the other way around with 4 tasks. How can this happen? And in the benchmark, I can't find the 2D editing applications, so I use 3DSMAX and multitasking (the designers often used their computers for photoshop, pagemaker, illustrator, microsoft word, browsing the internet, chatting, etc all at the same time, so I guess multitasking is an important factor here) and they generally say that 3200+ venice is better than P630.

 

[David Alexandru]

Yes....Intel is the best solution...but you have to remmember....the cpu is not the most important...you must have a good videocard...and a good monitor for graphic design....and lots of ram

 

[Ruder]

Use the PCMark04 or 05 tests for 2D comparisons.

Intel uses an architecture optimised for 2 pipes. Therefore will perform better with 2 tasks. AMD uses a different architecture, not optimised for 2 tasks, but still better as more tasks proves.

You are trying to buy a PC for $600 ... I don't think that budget will cover anything remotely usable. Rather spend it on upgrading the systems you have.

 

[truflip]

I think u can prolly work with these:

$75 ASRock 939Dual Sata:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813157081
i suggest this because since you mentioned your old MX series video cards are good enuf, you can use those on these boards. when time comes that u MUST upgrade to a better video card, these boards support PCI-e as well
Another thing is that this board can support the X2 and FX series CPUs so if u ever want to get a new CPU down the road, this board will welcome it with open arms =]

$69 Another choice might be the Chaintech VNF4:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813152053

$171 AMD64 3200+ 939 CPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535

$77 Corsair ValueSelect:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
these are supposed to be really good RAMs

$40 Fortron 400Watt Powersupply:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104953
I like to recommend these because theyre cost-effective and very solid and reliable according to reviews and a bit of experience with them. They also underrate themselves by about 30% so expect around 400 + 30% watt max power out of this. This will ensure ur system can be upgrade with more stuff later without having to get a new powersupply.

$50 CoolerMaster Centurion 5 ATX Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811119068
Pretty good case. the front is like a mesh grill so cool air can get thru. 120mm rear exhaust fan. u can hook up a 2 side panel fans for ur CPU and video card.

ok so the total came up to $413

this gives us more room for better stuff. maybe get a faster CPU? Opteron 146/3500+ and DEFINITELY 2GB of ram.

 

[truflip]

heres what ur other option could be:

$200 G. SKill Extreme Series 2GB kit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231021
chose this because it has high bandwidth and uses samsung chips

$322 AMD Athlon X2 3800+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819103562
well.. what can i say.. its the slowest X2.. but hell.. its an X2 u can be encoding movies while photoshopping with this thing prolly.. dont have experiecne with them but seems theyre tough to crack. talk about extreme multitasking..

only changed CPU and ram.. so the other parts are the same and the total comes up to
$686

 

[truflip]

an optional item would be ur video card. if u think the ppl using this computer will be happy with the MX400 videocards, then save up for video cards later.. if u must get one now, then the X300SE is a good starting point for these systems.

theyre selling for around $50 starting:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161155

Also if u think u want the video card and $686 is too much, u can prolly opt for either an Opteron 146/AMD64 3500+ (theyre the same CPU) and maybe get cheaper 2GB kit of ram like a crucial value select kingston value select. I believe they cost around 170ish on newegg.. too lazee to look for it now lol

Anyway tell me what u think and if u think u need somethin else or nething else.. jus say so i'll try my best to help u out =]

 

[Otmakus]

Thanks truflip, I've seen the stuffs u told me, but I really can't say much until I've discussed it further with my boss, as for the motherboards u mentioned, the Chaintech VNF4 only has 800 FSB, and the asrock only has 20 pin power pin. And as I have many bad experience with motherboard, I tend to choose M/B from more famous brand, so I think I'll stick with Abit KN8 or KN8ultra. The difference is only the SATA II, so I might choose KN8.

And also, can anyone tell me the difference between the same venice core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103602 ?
Which one is better?

 

[truflip]

hey no problem..

ASRock is made my ASUSTeK aka ASUS
its jus a their 'low-end' brand. that board is a very good board. read some reviews about it and compare it to the other choices u have.

Chaintech, i recommended it because that particular board is a very popular board that puts out good performance

as for those two CPUs.. i dont really see a difference other than the part numbers:

ADA3200BPBOX
ADA3200CGBOX

ADA = Athlon 64 type
3200 = speed
B/C = not sure
P/G = not sure
BOX = Venice Core

also the first CPU (171) can do 1.35/1.4v while the 177 one is 1.35v only
maybe someone else can answer ur question but as far as i know, the $171 one is the one id go for

 

[MUSTANGPC]

Thanks truflip, I've seen the stuffs u told me, but I really can't say much until I've discussed it further with my boss, as for the motherboards u mentioned, the Chaintech VNF4 only has 800 FSB, and the asrock only has 20 pin power pin. And as I have many bad experience with motherboard, I tend to choose M/B from more famous brand, so I think I'll stick with Abit KN8 or KN8ultra. The difference is only the SATA II, so I might choose KN8.

And also, can anyone tell me the difference between the same venice core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103535 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103602 ?
Which one is better?

Your best bet is to take a ride to MangaDua in JKT where you will find an arrays of motherboards - you have never seen anywhere and they are cheaper than anywhere else, Newegg included. Good luck!!

 

[AJ9027]

Choosing the Right CPU

I have always been a fan of AMD becuase I am a gamer, but in this situation I would go with the Intel because it is definatley better for multitasking. Although if you are only using acouple programs for this design work I would go for the AMD becuase it will run those programs with more speed and stability. This has always been a decision that everyone must make, AMD or Intel, so its really up to you, but if i were in your shoes I would get the AMD and get atleast a gigabyte of ram to try to counterbalance the short-comings of the AMD multitasking ability.

 

[N3051M]

Hey dude, hows your project going so far?

the opinion i can give you for this war (most come from my sales training for intels and amds) is that you'd go intel for the best quality or AMD if your on a budget and you want something that will do the job(value for $, or for gamers)
for graphic designers stick in minimum 1 gig of good ram and pretty good video card.. they will help the software run much smoother
my rig (see sig) runs pretty smooth for my occasional imageing/video work with photoshop cs2, bridge, illustrator, go live and a few others running at the same time..
About indo.. i agree that good tech arnt cheap tehre.. maybe get them shipped in from online company? you could always shoot an email to the guys there and ask for a discount since you're buying alot.. put those skills to use man! (i know my dad never hesitates to )
Anyways dont forget to have abit fun as well..
N3051M