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  1. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    I stand corrected. Although, it is an Apple part, at what I'm sure would be Apple pricing, should the need arise.
  2. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,894   +117

    I don't know the answer to this question, and neither does this article ( http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/apple/2010/07/01/mac-ssd-performance-trim-in-osx/7 ) but it asks "Does OS X need TRIM?"

    I didn't look into it very far, but either the Mac OS or the file system itself doesn't suffer from all the problems NTFS does without TRIM support.
  3. Well what we have here, a group of apple haters. To apple haters, Go back to your mama and tell them why they raised such close-minded people. You should make a company that make retard comments to new innovations so that your brains will not go to waste.

    anyway, this laptop is magnificent, so thin. wish it has the option for windows 7. and replace the the mac keys to winkeys and this is a best seller. $999 is a good price. no competition since adamo is dead.
  4. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    Oh look, what have we here, another Apple groupie, in a drive by exhibition of what it's like to suffer paranoid delusions of grandeur.
  5. Finally, someone points out the obvious....
  6. Leeky TechSpot Moderator Posts: 4,344   +59

    The MSI X340.

    Its tiny, even with the optional 8 cell battery pack, and its running W7 and Ubuntu 10.10 wonderfully. I've actually had most OS' installed on it now, and its handled them very well - Far better than my expectations actually.

    The keyboard is taking some getting used to though, the underneath of it is far too soft and flimsy, but all in all it's a very good package. Typing with it seems OK though, my biggest problem has been re-adjusting between the US keyboard layout, when compared with the UK keyboard I'm used to.

    The performance is pretty good in both Windows and Linux as well. It's not the fastest by any means, but it does absolutely everything needed for studying, and everything else in between.

    Only two things have got my attention with it so far:

    1. You have to remove the entire lower housing in order to gain access to the memory and HDD, removing a void if removed label in the process. Kind of annoying since I wanted to fit a 4GB stick, and a SSD to it.
    2. The keyboard flexes quite a bit - Again the warranty issue is preventing me from removing the cover and putting something like carbon fibre (purely for super lightweight strength) on the bottom of the keyboard in order to strengthen it!

    Those "issues" aside, I absolutely love this laptop. I especially like the MSI logo that lights up on the lid when its turned on as well, its a nice little touch. I'm also plesently surprised by the 1.4GHz penryn Intel SU3500 CPU, for its speed, and only being a single core, single thread CPU its doing a good job of handling software being thrown at it in both Windows and Linux.
     
  7. god damn why cant we customize. I want the lowest possible hd and the best processor and graphics. I dont want to spend a crapload of money for better graphics just to have 90% of the increase go to HD...
  8. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    I'm not sure where you're going with this. This thread is about a laptop(s), an ultra-thin laptop at that. One would expect the "optional at extra charge", add-ons to be rather limited.
    You get what's behind door number 1, 2, or 3, door 4 is at the Dell website.
  9. Leeky TechSpot Moderator Posts: 4,344   +59

    I get the guest's point..

    Sometimes your not bothered about HDD size, but want high performance graphics and RAM instead. I've noticed with Apple you tend to be stuck with having to pay the premium increase for the GPU, and the HDD etc that comes with that.

    Not knocking Apple, just saying it how it is.
  10. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    Then Leeky, I'll tell you the same thing as I just told the guest. This is an ultrathin laptop, which by its very nature,wouldn't withstand the addition of a higher performance CPU, or graphics. It's been designed to the specs it has, partly because of heat and space issues. If you slap a Blu-ray drive, an Nvidia 460, and an extra storage HDD it, what's the likely hood it would remain about a 1/2 inch thick.

    If you're looking for "clip and paste" hardware options in an Apple computer, then you need to look at their pro desktop line.
  11. It is obvious captaincranky is the best haters here. A self-acclaimed genius knows everything. I always find him in every articles saying negative comments. Get a life, dont make techspot your world. Get out and made some real friends so that the negativity attitude of yours would disappear slowly. Life is good man.
  12. Leeky TechSpot Moderator Posts: 4,344   +59

    I get that, I think I've misled you with my comments. I realise that the build of a device can be its limiting factors, not mentioning issues like battery capacities needing to be matched to hardware power consumption, etc etc.

    I meant generally speaking, like for example, getting the best GPU they offered in a particular range (say the Airs) meant ordering the most expensive model, which happens to come with larger capacity hard drive, and other extras you don't neccessarily want, nor wish for.

    The MacbookPro 15", i5 and i7 models are a good example of this. In order to have the GT330M 512mb GPU you have to order the i7 model, costing more money. It would be nice to have a GPU upgrade option so one could choose an i5 with the upgraded GPU (the 512mb instead of the i5's 256mb) and pay less money for it. I'd personally want the best CPU/GPU available, but I'm not fussed about the memory capacity, or disk capacity, as both of these can be replaced for considerably less money in most cases by doing it yourself.

    I've always found all models (except the mac pro) to be very closed with hardware upgrades - The specification I'd prefer always lies between the two extremes, and I feel like I've got to spend more in order to have the important hardware items I want, and accept others I don't neccessarily want in return. The same was true when I purchased my iMac a couple of years ago.
  13. ^ you didnt misled him. It is obvious he always react to every comments, even positive comments. he always say something. he always say to have an argument. well it is his life. thats the way he lives to this world so nothing to expect good from him.
  14. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    Posting as a "Guest", is that the same thing as applying grease paint?
    What's the matter, you couldn't make it in Ringling Brothers Clown School, now you're going to come here and pretend to be a therapist. Nobody will take your opinion seriously if you you walk around smiling all the time, they'll think you're up to something. Life is good for me also! I enjoy talking to the stains in my underwear as much as I enjoy talking to you. That said, I choose not to mix these two pleasures further.

    Let's call it a draw, I won't bill your health insurance for that bit of counseling, and don't even think about billing mine.


    Act Two, How to deal with people that have English as 4th language....:rolleyes:
    I've seen phishing Emails with way better English than this. What are you in real life, a Nigerian Prince?
  15. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    Stand back, I'm going to come to Apple's defense, better grab a screen cap.

    This really isn't the sole province of Apple. This topic came up the other night in this thread; http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic154927.html My stand is, bumping the CPU up a notch, really doesn't do all that much. I'm sure that statement could be argued at some length as well.

    The fact remains that nobody here is an "average consumer". That being said, the process of step up selling has relied on multiple changes to the configuration and adapted itself to the needs of the average consumer, (as well as profit margin). This has been going on since analog TV was king. A more powerful receiver was sold with a step up pair of speakers, perhaps a better turntable and cartridge as well. Desktops follow this tradition, they surely didn't invent it. In the same way that a mechanic, charges list price for parts purchased at wholesale, as well as his labor. PC makers will follow the same business model. The only thing that remains is to fake an "actual retail value", so they can sell you upgrade parts at a "discounted" price, which in fact, IS the retail price. Or didn't I understand that post either?

    So now, when I say that I agree that Apple does in fact limit packages more than some, I'll draw the "Aphole Corp" out to call me a "hater".

    So. if you want a full litany of choices, buy a Dell. Or better still, convince Newegg to open up a warehouse in Great Britain.
  16. LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 4,180   +23

    IamBD went to the most expensive pc company to compare mac to pc. I find that disturbing in itself because I know when you googled those results you found 3-5 other pc companies that had the same specs but are 2-300 dollars cheaper.
  17. stensland Newcomer, in training Posts: 65

    To be quite frank, I'm fairly disappointed in Apple, especially of late. When they came onto the market they were ahead of the game technologically speaking, but over these past few years they have been committing suicide in their business practice. They axed Abode Flash on their phones, restricted devs from using their own tools, and have for quite a while been out of the price range of a good deal of people and lacked real functionality. Apple throwing HDDs to the dogs is just another thing to add to the ever growing list of why I will never use them again. Sure, they are great products for commercial marketing, video editing, things along that nature, but if you want raw power for cheap and a plethora of do it yourself software / hardware you gotta go Windows. I'm sure Apple has some sort of reason for doing as they are with limiting what their users can actually do, but I can't see it. Eliminating HHDs in their new Air machines is a way to save power yes, but to do it at the expense of space when things like marketing and video editing rely on large amounts of space for high res, I just don't get what they are doing....
  18. SNGX1275 TS Special Forces Posts: 11,894   +117

    The Air isn't sold to be a high res video editor. They can't even use a regular SSD in the air because they are physically too big, they couldn't make the computer that physical size otherwise.
  19. captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 8,802   +287

    We hit on this earlier, I thought the flash was on the main PCB, but as it turns out, it's a proprietary PCB flash assembly.

    The fact that you had to post the "isn't a hi-res video editor", comment, is an indicator of the fact that people are adding the own misconceptions to the hype already swirling around the product. Perhaps Steve Jobs never actually said that the "Air" was useful for actual video editing, but I'd venture a guess that he thought it in public, and his followers picked up on the vibes. :rolleyes:
  20. therickster90 Newcomer, in training Posts: 25

    Apart from being a cheapskate, I would buy one of these. My plastic $500 laptop has parts basically falling off of it, and it isn't exactly running Crysis either.