that was fast, i just finished posting.

Your a very funny man indeed.

Your mistatments say one of two things. That (A) you are the one who has done nothing more than pull the side off of a tower or two or (B) you have built a lot of systems and have learned nothing from that and still don't know what you are talking about.

Either way I attempted to explain to you why you where wrong with your statements and provided you with some links showing you why you where wrong and the results of the facts I provided.

In turn you responded with the basic "I got caught not knowing what I am talking about so now I want you to go away" response by telling me if I didn't know what I was talking about to not bother replying.

Clearly I do know what I am talking about with the statements I made and have provided you with links backing up what I am saying. Since your so Godly in your computer knowledge why don't you humor us with similiar statistics clearly showing how your choice of video card is the only factor in gaming performance? Or how about an essay written by a noted psychologist on the large performance differences are all in the head of the gamer? Or how about a good expose on AnandTech and how they crew there are all just a bunch of hacks who have done little more than pull the side off of a tower or two since you don't seem to agree with his efforts and hard work on benchmarks.

When you make statements such as the one you made in regards to how many systems you have put togeter (5000+? Obviously NOT) and telling people to not reply because they don't know what they are talking about. That gets you ZERO credibility with anyone.

I DO know what I am talking about and have shown you evdidence that I DO. So don't ever tell me NOT to post somewhere as you lack the authority, the credibility and the respect to do so.

Well I think he was responding to me...and honestly I didn't mean to start a flame war here, but it seems that is what it turned into. Apparently he doesn't take people disagreeing with him well.

I was at first only trying to show him that the performance gains are very real and very significant and not just in my head or anyone elses and then I was completly blown away by the statement "If its in gaming that all depends on what video card you are using" and tried to correct him on that.

I appologize for this thread being hijacked into a "fanboy" flame war because that was never the intent. I have nothing against Intels and have 3 intel Boxes myself as well as an Intel based laptop. So I obviously have nothing against Intel processors or people who use them, but I am very well aware that my AMD based boxes outperform my Intel based boxes and I understand why they do and only wished to point out that there are many factors besided choice of video card that greatly impact gaming performance.

Sorry for this good and informative thread becoming the mess it has become.

AMD Pentium 4

Not a professional or anything but i have put together a few systems, some were fast and others slow ..to say AMD is Better than a pentium 4 well i guess it would depend on the components in both.get a crap mobo..great ram and a 40 dollar video card and all you have is nice ram..now if you get good ram a good mobo and a good video card then you would have a rig..the only difference i can really see between the two chips is what they are put on and with because a pentium 4 3.4e with a riva tnt2 64 value ram would suck but that same pentium 4 with a geforce ultra and some corsaire xms would rock..but in fact pentium does perform better for some things and amd for others ...many times they have been benchmarked and many times they both win..but i also do not think you should compare an AMD 64 with a Pentium 4 anyway because one is 64 bit the other 32 bit although pentium does have a 64 bit chip but haven't seen one as yet lol

Brian,

Hi! As I had said I wasn't trying to get into a flame war of Intel vs AMD. I have both Intel and AMD boxes and I enjoy both companies.

The point I was making is that in high end gaming the AMD 64FX-55 and AMD 4000+ hold a clear advantage over the P4 3.2 and that the differences are due largly to technological advances not some flight of fancy or a head trip on the part of the gamer. It's not smoke and mirrors, but due to things such as an independent full duplex system bus, an integrated DDR memory controller, higher processor to system bandwidth than the 3.2, larger L1 cache to name a few.

Your post pretty much re-states my second point though and that is that there are a lot of factors in a systems performance in gaming or otherwise. The video card is but one of several factors that have a significant impact on performance. As far as side-by-side benchmarking goes I don't need to go far, my wife has my older Intel system and I have to say after playing on mine I get spoiled even watching her play on hers (and then I get to feeling guilty thinking I should upgrade hers, but she is a much more casual gamer lol) and swapping my 6800U for her 5950U doesn't even begin to bridge the differences.

Sorry for getting into a novel here, but the points I was making was that there are performance differences that amount to much more than AMD pulling out the smoke and mirrors or it "just being in our heads" and that there is a lot more than just choice of video card in impacting game performance. That was what the point of the benchmark I provided was. That given a more or less equal test bed with the same video card (Intel actually had the advantage of PCI-E) on one of their systems that they still fell short showing performance differences when video card choice is not a factor.

As far as the AMD 64 goes though that is pretty much of a non-factor for now as Microsoft has yet to release anything more than a pre-release of Windows XP 64. Drivers for that have still been kind of fledling and poor performers (initial tests of the pre-release have shown between a 10% and 20% decrease in gaming performance as a result) and of course where are the 64-bit apps? So for testing purposes both systems doing 32-bit computing using Windows XP Pro.

I did not want to start any thing here or argue,All I mentioned is I and many others such as friends with big rigs and the plenty i built including amd 4000 with the same video card we never seen a differents in speed playing games,I did not say intel or amd was faster maybe you misunder stood me,doing 1/2 life or doom 3 they were both comparable with no flaws.I run my system at 3360 with more than enough memory and it runs pretty quick but where the differents for speed on other systems i quite dont understand.Now on a AMD 64FX-55 there could be some more speed here depending on games you load i have not played with these systems to much,As for opening up programs on your desktop the amd maybe a little quicker due to the l2 cache.sorry if you did not understand my point that i was making.

Holy Boat. I just saw a page and a half of run-on sentences.

I do very much hope that someone who has been building computers for "20 years" would find something better to say than "LOLOL"

And so tell me, what kind of PCs were you retailing (or, "building" I should say) back in 1984?

I see a page and a half of big ego's and bigger incompetence.

IBM XT/AT systems. Speak for yourself on the incompetence for you should know the answer to that without having to ask me.

What the heck is wrong with you people. Run on sentances and grammar aside the information I provided in my answer was correct. Somehow I guess I missed the "rules and regulations" post about all grammer having to be perfect and all spelling correct to post.

I have never seen a board with so many folks who apparently quick to flame and short on knowledge. Man what the heck is wrong with you people.

I do know what I am talking about and as a "Paladin" on this board it is my guess that you know that I do as well. Thats fine, your comments don't bother me, but I am smart enough to take a hint as well and it seems to me that new folks comming in contradicting a member is something thats not welcome on this board. Thats fine.

I didn't find any insight here to the problem I came here looking for anyway, but just thought I would participate along the way.

that sure escalated quickly.

Original question +/- answered.

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