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Athlon XP & Pentium 4 systems

By Bobes
Feb 17, 2002
  1. uncleel

    uncleel TS Rookie Posts: 1,145

    Weekly CPU Pricing Guide

    Product Price Comparison
    http://www.3dspotlight.com/prices.shtml
    Intel Northwood P4 1.8GHz - $214.10
    Intel Northwood P4 1.6 GHz - $153.95
    AMD AthlonXP 1900+ - $196.00

    Weekly CPU Pricing Guide
    http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/WCPG/article.php/975941


    • P4-1.6GHz/400 Sock 478 (OEM) $128
      P4-1.7GHz/400 Sock 478 (OEM) $145
      P4-1.8GHz/400 Sock 478 (OEM) $162
      P4-1.9GHz/400 Sock 478 (OEM) $225
      P4-2.0GHz/400 Sock 478 (OEM) $318
      P4-2.2GHz/400 Sock 478 Northwood (OEM) $472

    • Athlon XP 1500+ (1.33GHz) $102
      Athlon XP 1600+ (1.4GHz) $106
      Athlon XP 1700+ (1.47GHz) $113
      Athlon XP 1800+ (1.53GHz) $137
      Athlon XP 1900+ (1.6GHz) $189
      Athlon XP 2000+ (1.67GHz) $249

    Two market forces @ work. intel dumping prices on P4's while the XP's (made @ the Dresden plant) doesn't have the production to bring the prices down yet.
     
  2. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,568   +103

    I wasn't pricing them to buy, just was clicking round the sponsers to see what they had to offer and noticed that at similar clock speeds the P4 was actually cheaper. Haven't actually been watching CPU prices much recently :)
     
  3. Bobes

    Bobes Runner Topic Starter Posts: 72

    Sorry to offend you Arris. I meant "selective" moreover than doctored, once again apologies, didn't think you had changed the prices or anything :)

    As to the system problems, well setting the memory to 100Mhz has helped, although I shouldn't have to do that and it is STILL very slow!

    I was surprised to see prices that high, but I don't look @ American prices @ all (not pricewatch, pricegrabber now any store) because of import taxes etc. Prices were quoted from www.overclockers.co.uk and www.theoverclockingstore.co.uk, both have similar prices.
     
  4. TS | Crazyace

    TS | Crazyace TS Rookie Posts: 329

    performance differs upon system configuration.

    A DDR Northwood system with good ram at a 3:4 memory ratio is pretty tough to beat. Actually, I thinik it will smoke an XP. But, at stock speeds (not overclocking or multiplying bus at all), the XP looks to nudge it out slightly when all benchmarks are counted. They are real close, it's really a tough call now. But like I said, if you speed up the memory, the P4 just takes off incredibly. It is very ram hungry, as most of us know.
     
  5. Arris

    Arris TS Evangelist Posts: 4,568   +103

    Ach no problem.
    Thought it was strange behaviour for you but obviously just a misunderstanding.
    I just wanted to highlight the price difference between CPU's from AMD and intel running at the same clock speed. I think if I shop around I would most likely find XPs cheaper than P4 and P4 northwoods, even if some of the middle of the range P4 northwoods do seem to be at a decent price for once.... ;)
     
  6. Bobes

    Bobes Runner Topic Starter Posts: 72

    Is there some secret setting I've missed? Latest drivers..check. OS updates...check. BIOS settings on optimal (apart from memory)...check. Performance: awful! I'm having to play Counter-Strike in 640x480 because anything higher is chug-city. I'd really like some feedback from those with P4 systems like you Paul because this is just stupid for a P4 system.

    This is deffinately a Northwood system. I'm not going to even attempt OCing it at the current temps though...

    Glad the misunderstanding has been sorted out Arris.
     
  7. TS | Crazyace

    TS | Crazyace TS Rookie Posts: 329

    first step: reformat

    second: sdram or ddr sdram?
     
  8. uncleel

    uncleel TS Rookie Posts: 1,145

    rambus, ddr, or sdram?

    Checking out http://www.jncs.com motherboard bundles. Important things to consider:
    rambus, ddr, or sdram?
    Quality motherboard.

     
  9. Mictlantecuhtli

    Mictlantecuhtli TS Evangelist Posts: 4,916   +9

    My P4 rig:
    Soltek SL-85SD-C
    P4 1.6 GHz @ 2.0, not Northwood
    768M PC-133 SDRAM
    Gainward/Cardexperts GeForce2Ti 500 XP
    SB Live! Value
    Pinnacle PCTV Rave
    Realtek RTL8139B NIC
    Samsung 40G hdd
    Toshiba DVD-ROM
    Ricoh MP7060S CD-RW
    External TekComm 56k modem
    No floppy drive

    Temperatures stay below 45C, overclocking has been the only reason to cause lockups. I don't know about Windows drivers since I don't have that OS.
    RH Linux 7.2 with kernel 2.5.1, NVIDIA_kernel_2314 & GLX_2313, runs Quake3 @ 85 FPS (1280x1024x32) and UT about the same. I'll check if I have any problems with HL & CS.

    I think it has something to do with AGP bus, or your OS just doesn't like your mobo. Have you tried any CPU tests like Pifast? Do they run correctly?
    Are you sure that motherboard supports Northwood P4s?
     
  10. Bobes

    Bobes Runner Topic Starter Posts: 72

    I'm deffinately going to reformat in the end, but I'm not sure what you mean by that other point. Do you mean SDR/SDRAM as opposed to DDR/SDRAM? If so, the motherboard only accepts DDR/SDRAM running at 100 or 133Mhz (PC1600 & 2100). My PC2400 should have been more than up to the task of running at 133Mhz!

    I have no reason to doubt the motherboard's compatibilty with Northwood design Pentium 4s.

    I'll run some rough benchmarks to show you what I mean.
     
  11. TS | Crazyace

    TS | Crazyace TS Rookie Posts: 329

    set your motherboard memory timing to 3:4

    i was just asking what kinda memory you had :)


    But really, if you are having all those problems and say you can only play counter strike at 640x480, your system is really screwed up.. Reformat, then give us an update..

    I can run damn coutner strike at 1280x1024 on my old celeron system!!!!!!!!!
     
     
  12. Bobes

    Bobes Runner Topic Starter Posts: 72

    It was running at 3:4 (133Mhz) :)

    Actually, now its at 100Mhz, the system does seem a lot more stable. I think I've only had three or four crashes since I used slower memory speed settings (used to have crashes every ten minutes or so!).

    But like you said, I've got to go for a clean installation to try and get the full speed out of it.

    Thanks to everyone who's helped on this thread!
     
  13. Per Hansson

    Per Hansson TS Server Guru Posts: 1,932   +126 Staff Member

    Bobes; This was just something I got thinking of, have you checked what speed the processor is really running at when it reaches 60C?

    As we all know it has it's built in safety feature that throttles the CPU clock down when it gets hot...

    WCPUID will be able to tell you what speed the processor is running at, start the "real-time" monitor in that along with seti RC5 or some other thingy that loads the CPU to 100% and see what happens...
     
  14. DaveSylvia

    DaveSylvia TS Rookie Posts: 127

    I agree with you there Per. I was thinking the same thing.

    Also, when you say this,
    do you mean that you took a hard drive that already had Windows (or Linux) installed? If so, I believe that would be the cause of the lack of performance. Enlighten me if otherwise sir.
     
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