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The facts contradict you:

BBC: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline
The US also lifted sanctions on the executive - an ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin - who leads the firm behind the Nord Stream 2 project....Critics say the pipeline is a major geopolitical prize for the Kremlin...."

( WE) "...KYIV, Ukraine — President Joe Biden’s cancellation of Trump-era sanctions meant to halt the completion of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is a blow to the Ukrainian economy...The Russian pipeline that would transport gas through the Baltic Sea to Germany would displace older Ukrainian pipelines ..."


Russia would have never invaded in the first place. Groups like Cato were predicting a full year before the invasion that Biden's policies would lead to all-out war with Russia. The Biden Administration demanded Nato treat Ukraine as a member in all but name only; held Nato 'training exercises' in Ukraine only a few miles from the Russian border; wrote a Nato MAP (membership plan) for Ukraine; and stationed a brigade of US military troops in Ukraine as "trainers and advisors". All this despite past promises that Nato would not expand eastward, and ever-escalating Russian demands for talks on the issue.

When Biden sent Kamala Harris to the European Security Conference to state that Ukraine joining Nato was "non negotiable" and "in Ukraine's hands" -- Russia invaded a few days later.
All out war with Russia - so we should just let Russia take over the world? I see that the Putin wing of the GOP has a major and widespread influence on many people clowns.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." ― Thomas Paine

Must be the GOP is absent any "real men."
 
So your argument is, that since Russia would have "gotten around sanctions" anyway, just lift them all? Biden lifting those sanctions allowed construction to resume and emboldened Russia, almost as much as when Biden went on live TV and green-lighted a "minor incursion" into Ukraine.


Luckily Trump did neither. While Biden advised Obama to send Ukraine nothing but blankets and helmets, Trump was the first US President to approve actual weapons. And the "blackmail" was Trump asking Ukraine to investigate what we now know was an actual crime -- Joe's son being paid millions of dollars to shield Burisma from prosecution. The emails and text messages of Hunter's and Burisma's founder Mykola Zlochevsky make that abudantly clear.
"So your argument is, that since Russia would have "gotten around sanctions" anyway" - this is makes ZERO sense. we are talking about a very specific sanction that was requested to be removed by Germany back before Russia started a full on invasion. Generalising things helps nobody.

"And the "blackmail" was Trump asking Ukraine to investigate what we now know was an actual crime" - this is the worst "excuse" I keep hearing from trump supporters. He was blackmailing the Ukrainian president to get dirt on Biden. He was asking for a "personal favor" while illegally withholding aid. This is a fact, the undeniable truth.

And the result of his actions are exactly as I said. Right wing pro-russian support got a huge boost because of Trump. Multiple studies have been done on this topic and polls/election results confirmed this as well. It's not an opinion, but a fact of reality.

The only reason why he was still president after doing this crap is because he was protected by the GOP.

"The emails and text messages of Hunter's and Burisma's founder Mykola Zlochevsky make that abudantly clear." - no they don't. even the republicans reached this conclusion. you can read it here:
 
"The White House notes that the US Commerce Department probe is needed because vehicles collect large amounts of sensitive data on their drivers and passengers, while regularly using their cameras and sensors to record detailed information on US citizens and infrastructure - information that could be sent back to China."

You can say the same thing about Japanese vehicles.... and yes, data is being sent to Japan...!
 
""China is determined to dominate the future of the auto market, including by using unfair practices," Biden said, comparing the connected vehicles to smartphones on wheels. "China's policies could flood our market with its vehicles, posing risks to our national security. I'm not going to let that happen on my watch.""

Paranoia and hypocrisy at its best...! There is no security threat...only economic threat....! Remember the Chinese spy balloons...!
 
So you prefer doing absolutely nothing? Kinda what the GOP is doing right now hoping to win votes out of all of this.

No, he didn't "drop" the sanctions, no he didn't give his "pipelines" back. and it is a known fact that Trump would have just let Ukraine fall (he said so himself).

"No one demanded anything, except for Joe Biden to do his job." - tell that to the GOP which seems hell bent on letting illegals in the country just to f the dems over in the elections.
I prefer to slam the border shut. Expel every undocumented, illegal, immoral and criminal alien as fast as they can be found. Give no more money to anyone that won't work but can. Give no money to Ukraine and get Joe and his ilk out of office. Clean the colleges of all anti American activity and restore education so kids learn something. Require military service of two years for every boy and girl. Start every school day with the Pledge of Allegiance. There is more but that's enough for now. Clear?
 
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""China is determined to dominate the future of the auto market, including by using unfair practices," Biden said, comparing the connected vehicles to smartphones on wheels. "China's policies could flood our market with its vehicles, posing risks to our national security. I'm not going to let that happen on my watch.""

Paranoia and hypocrisy at its best...! There is no security threat...only economic threat....! Remember the Chinese spy balloons...!
And Tesla is feeling the pinch - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...ice-cuts-and-discounts-from-ev-maker-dc1655f2
 
I prefer to slam the border shut. Expel every undocumented, illegal, immoral and criminal alien as fast as they can be found. Give no more money to anyone that won't work but can. Give no money to Ukraine and get Joe and his ilk out of office. Clean the colleges of all anti American activity and restore education so kids learn something. Require military service of two years for every boy and girl. Start every school day with the Pledge of Allegiance. There is more but that's enough for now. Clear?
Xenophbic much? Its convenient when you can blame everyone else for your problems. The only problem with that is after you have eliminated all of "them" you will find the problem has not disappeared.
 
All out war with Russia - so we should just let Russia take over the world?
Russia hasn't taken one square inch of ground that wasn't already full of ethnic Russians for the last several centuries. This "they'll take over the entire world!" gaslighting wouldn't fool a small child.

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it." ― Thomas Paine
Thomas Paine meant that people should -fight- for freedom. So when are you buying a ticket over and picking up a rifle? No? I didn't think so.

In any case, Ukraine is a considerably less free country than even Russia is at the moment.
 
Russia hasn't taken one square inch of ground that wasn't already full of ethnic Russians for the last several centuries. This "they'll take over the entire world!" gaslighting wouldn't fool a small child.


Thomas Paine meant that people should -fight- for freedom. So when are you buying a ticket over and picking up a rifle? No? I didn't think so.

In any case, Ukraine is a considerably less free country than even Russia is at the moment.
Right. That's why conscripted Russian soldiers walked out on Putler, and why those in the Ukraine fight for their freedom. I guess you just don't understand what "fight" means.

So when are you having Putler over for dinner?

Your snark is laughable.

EDIT: By your reasoning, the US should just hand over all "its" land to the Native Americans? Right?

The people in the Ukraine don't want Putler to rule them. They are fighting for their freedom. Letting Putler roll over them and take what he wants is the biggest mistake the GOP could possibly make. What else will Putler demand if he gets his way? The GOP is no longer the party of Regan and can never hope to achieve that level again. If today were the days of McCarthyism, McCarthy would be having a field day with the GOP Russian spies.
 
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Right. That's why conscripted Russian soldiers walked out on Putler, and why those in the Ukraine fight for their freedom.
You're blithely unaware that Ukraine has barred every man in the country age 17 to 60 from leaving the country. Thousands of men trying to flee have been arrested at the border and immediately sent to the front, and tens of thousands more have literally been kidnapped right off the streets in broad daylight in front of their families . So much for "freedom fighters":

(NY Times) The People Snatchers: Ukraine's harsh tactics to fill the ranks.

Also note that -- before last year's surge -- fully half the "Russian troops" fighting in Donbass were actually Ukrainian citizens, fighting to free themselves from Kiev's rule. Even today, it's something on the order of 25%. There's a reason Ukraine's been in a civil war the last 10 years.

Let's also remember that Zelensky has banned his opposition political parties, banned every newspaper, magazine, radio and TV station, and social media platform that isn't under state rule, banned the nation's largest church for "disloyalty", and jailed many civilians simply for publicly criticizing his policies. Last month an US citizen and journalist died in Ukraine's prison, jailed for reporting on corruption in the Zelensky regime. His family says he was tortured for months.

Does Russia do the same? Sure ... but we don't have legions of 60-IQ mouth-breathers sending money to Russia, thinking they're somehow "advancing freedom".

So when are you having Putler over for dinner?
When are you picking up that rifle? Or just happy to see other people die for a cause you pretend to care about? It's easy to be brave when you know that only other people will be shot at, isn't it?
The people in the Ukraine don't want Putler to rule them.
98% of the people of Crimea want to be part of Russia. In Donbass, it's more like 60 to 70%, depending on which part of Donetsk and Luhansk you're in.
 
I prefer to slam the border shut. Expel every undocumented, illegal, immoral and criminal alien as fast as they can be found. Give no more money to anyone that won't work but can. Give no money to Ukraine and get Joe and his ilk out of office. Clean the colleges of all anti American activity and restore education so kids learn something. Require military service of two years for every boy and girl. Start every school day with the Pledge of Allegiance. There is more but that's enough for now. Clear?
unfortunately for you the US is not yet a fascist country. instead of "cleaning" collages because of differences in opinion how about you ask for something actually good and productive... how about making education cheap?

your priorities are very skewed.
 
how about making education cheap?
How about making it so that not every job requires a degree? That would make it so that the average person on the street doesn't need to put themselves in debt past their asses to get a decent job.

We need to put emphasis on the trades once again. You know, things like electrical, plumbing, welding, carpentry, etc. Those are the jobs that civilization is built on. Without those, who will build your home?

Oh sure, technology is great and all but will a computer provide you a home to live in? Nope.
 
How about making it so that not every job requires a degree? That would make it so that the average person on the street doesn't need to put themselves in debt past their asses to get a decent job.

We need to put emphasis on the trades once again. You know, things like electrical, plumbing, welding, carpentry, etc. Those are the jobs that civilization is built on. Without those, who will build your home?

Oh sure, technology is great and all but will a computer provide you a home to live in? Nope.
No, just make it cheaper. Education is the pillar of our society. Wanting good education is normal and it should not be just for the rich.

Everything else you said, is just dodging the issue.

"That would make it so that the average person on the street doesn't need to put themselves in debt past their asses to get a decent job." - isn't that what the average student already does? cheaper education is in fact the solution as it provides more opportunities for people.

"You know, things like electrical, plumbing, welding, carpentry, etc" - and how do you propose you do that? other than inviting immigrants to take these hard or unpopular jobs. believe it or not there already are federally/local funded programs for unemployed people who want to learn such jobs.
 
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Aaaand, now we find out big Joe flew in over 300k more so that they wouldn't have to cross the border. It's a complete demolition of the USA.
 
Russia hasn't taken one square inch of ground that wasn't already full of ethnic Russians for the last several centuries. This "they'll take over the entire world!" gaslighting wouldn't fool a small child.
The US has been full of ethnic English, Germans, Dutch, Italians and Irish for centuries. So you're thinking we ought to just give them back some chunks of our country.
 
Also note that -- before last year's surge -- fully half the "Russian troops" fighting in Donbass were actually Ukrainian citizens, fighting to free themselves from Kiev's rule. Even today, it's something on the order of 25%. There's a reason Ukraine's been in a civil war the last 10 years.
Even in Crimea, support for leaving Ukraine and joining Russia did not reach a majority before they were invaded in 2014 and marched to the polls by unmarked combatants.

Support in Donetsk and Luhansk was 33% and 24% respectively that year. But then again, where in the Ukraine Constitution is there a right to secede anyhow?


Does Russia do the same? Sure ... but we don't have legions of 60-IQ mouth-breathers sending money to Russia, thinking they're somehow "advancing freedom".
What we do have, however, are legions of Internet trolls running interference for mother Russia.

98% of the people of Crimea want to be part of Russia. In Donbass, it's more like 60 to 70%, depending on which part of Donetsk and Luhansk you're in.
These stats helpfully made up by TASS, your reliable source for total bullshit.
 
How about making it so that not every job requires a degree? That would make it so that the average person on the street doesn't need to put themselves in debt past their asses to get a decent job.
I think that's a solid idea, actually, and both federal and state governments have been leading the way in removing degrees as a requirement for job openings.

But in the private sector, multinational companies keep us in an international arms race. Though as of yet percentage wise far fewer Chinese and Indian citizens end up getting a graduate degree or higher, they are churning out millions and millions of highly educated individuals, particularly in STEM fields. We can't afford to fall behind.
 
I think that's a solid idea, actually, and both federal and state governments have been leading the way in removing degrees as a requirement for job openings.

But in the private sector, multinational companies keep us in an international arms race. Though as of yet percentage wise far fewer Chinese and Indian citizens end up getting a graduate degree or higher, they are churning out millions and millions of highly educated individuals, particularly in STEM fields. We can't afford to fall behind.
But a society still needs people who can work with their hands. You still need people to do electrical work in homes and yes, even huge data centers. You need a plumber in case the toilet gets backed up or your sink leaks. You need carpenters for when you want your kitchen floor redone. You need people who can do heating and cooling in case your air conditioner decides that it's not going to work on some hot 90-degree day.

I can cite a myriad of reasons why we still need people who can work with their hands but lately the trades have been looked down on. "Oh, that's for the dregs of society to do. You don't want to do that, that's yucky." Yeah well, when the sh*t hits the fan, those are the people you still need.
 
Even in Crimea, support for leaving Ukraine and joining Russia did not reach a majority before they were invaded in 2014 and marched to the polls by unmarked combatants.
What nonsense is this? Crimea first voted to leave Ukraine in 1991 -- the very same year that Ukraine voted to separate from Russia. Crimea voted the same way in 1994 and 1996 as well, and Kiev gave them the finger each time, while asserting its own right to self-determination.

The situation died down a bit until 2014, when a coup in Kiev installed a virulently ultranationalist faction into government control, which promised "ethnic purity" for Ukraine. They immediately began repressing their Russian minority, barring them from government offices and positions, and even from speaking their own language. Imagine if the US barred all African Americans from working for the government, and barred all Hispanics from speaking Spanish.

But then again, where in the Ukraine Constitution is there a right to secede anyhow?
There was no right in the Soviet Constitution to secede -- yet Ukraine did it anyway. There was also no right in the Ukraine Constitution, the Russian Constitution OR the Soviet Constitution for a Ukrainian named Khruschev to transfer control of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine ... yet he did it anyway. In his autobiography, he called it his "birthday present" to Ukraine.

From Wikipedia:

"...The official result from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was a 97 percent vote for integration of the region into the Russian Federation, with an 83 percent voter turnout, and from Sevastopol there was also a 97 percent vote for integration with Russia, with an 89 percent voter turnout.[a]...."
 
What nonsense is this? Crimea first voted to leave Ukraine in 1991 -- the very same year that Ukraine voted to separate from Russia. Crimea voted the same way in 1994 and 1996 as well, and Kiev gave them the finger each time, while asserting its own right to self-determination.
Ukraine voted to separate from the USSR. It was never part of Russia. Some parts of Ukraine, including Crimea, had in the past become designated as Novorossiya - 'New Russia', a name that tells you everything you need to know.

The native population in Novorossiya wasn't Russian at all until it was engineered to be. In the case of Crimea, the majority people were the Tatars, or at least they were before the Russians chased half a million of them out to Turkey. But the Russification of Crimea did not really complete until the remaining 200.000 Tatars were forcibly deported after WWII.

Russia's claims to any part of Novorossiya just does not have significant historic merit. They need to eff off.

The situation died down a bit until 2014, when a coup in Kiev installed a virulently ultranationalist faction into government control, which promised "ethnic purity" for Ukraine. They immediately began repressing their Russian minority, barring them from government offices and positions, and even from speaking their own language.
This coup being triggered by people tired off getting shot at by their pro-Russian puppet government. Hmm.

The Ukrainian people looked West. They looked East. They decided the choice wasn't complicated. There was really no need for foreign agitators. Russians never brought the Ukraine anything but misery, and as usual they blame everyone else for their failures.
 
Ukraine voted to separate from the USSR.
And Crimea voted to separate from Ukraine -- four separate times, in fact. Also note that Ukraine originally voted to JOIN the USSR, whereas Crimea -- part of Russia for centuries --never agreed to join Ukraine.

....But the Russification of Crimea did not really complete until the remaining 200.000 Tatars were forcibly deported after WWII.
An act1 by Stalin (a Georgian) and his henchman Khruschev -- a Ukrainian. And technically they weren't "deported" -- they were forcibly moved from one part of the USSR to another.

Russia's claims to any part of Novorossiya just does not have significant historic merit.
You mean except for several centuries of Russian ownership, the illegal annexation of Crimea by Ukraine, and -- most importantly of all -- the will of the people living there. It's called "self determination" under international law.

I'll note that the Serbian Constitution didn't allow Kosovo to secede -- yet the US bombed Serbia back to the Stone Age to allow Kosovo self-determination. Nor did the Indonesian constitution allow East Timor to secede, or Sudan's constitution to allow South Sudan to do so - yet the US exerted immense diplomatic pressure and the threat of sanctions to force those events to occur. The formation of South Sudan is particularly relevant, as that brought about what the UN called "the worst humanitarian crisis in Africa of the last century".
 
This coup being triggered by people tired off getting shot at by their pro-Russian puppet government...
Eh? Yanokovich was corrupt, but he didn't kill his opponents. That was Petro Poroshenko, the pro Western leader who replaced him. Poroshenko -- who quickly became known as 'The Butcher of Donbass' -- was known for driving around the streets of Kiev in vehicles with enormous placards of the infamous Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera on the sides; a man who helped the Nazis carry out anti-Jewish and anti-Russian pogroms in Ukraine that killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Poroshenko, in addition to shelling his own people with artillery in Donbass, also allowed free reign to neo-Nazi groups like the Azov Battalion, who were repeatedly cited by the EU, the UN, and even the US Congress for their brutal attacks on civilians in Donbass ... all in the name of 'racial purity' for Ukraine.

Zelensky beat Poroshenko in the last election, based largely on his promise to end the country's civil war. Upon winning, Zelensky immediately charged Poroshenko with corruption, supporting terrorism, and treason, and then reneged upon his campaign promise by vowing to end the Minsk II Accords granting autonomy to Donbass, and massing troops for a massive military surge. And now that Zelensky has ended all elections for the foreseeable future, he's effectively a dictator in all but name only.
 
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